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WITNESSES => Drone related? => : Douglas June 08, 2008, 11:29:46 PM

: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas June 08, 2008, 11:29:46 PM
I was looking through some old UFO books [in 2007] that I have in my library and I was able to find what may be an actual descriptions of the Drone craft reported in 1960. by Rolf Telano.

The book I refer to is a compilation of four books. One of these books is "An Extraterrestrial Statement" and was previously printed as "A Spacewoman Speaks" by Understanding Publications Co., 1960

Part II

An Extraterrestrial Statement...pages 9-93 (by the space alien)

Chapter Four.

The "Saucers" Page 38 (the alien is speaking here circa 1954)

(4). " A doughnut-shaped craft, about 125 feet outside diameter by about 36 feet thick, with a hole about 25 feet in diameter in the center. They are used only when complicated scientific observation of some nature is required. Due to the large amount of test equipment which they carry they have become known as "flying laboratories". They use an "electro-magnetic drive" and are not likely to be seen by your people except on comparatively rare occasions."

Page 40 (the power source[for the Drones] is described by the space alien)

"The "electro-magnetic" drive obtains its power by cutting the natural lines of force to a planet. The action is much the same as that of your electrical generators. The craft are oriented on the magnetic meridians in such a manner that a small electron beam will drive them. They can cross the meridians or travel at an angle to them in a manner similar to that used by your sailboats when "tacking into the wind". This form of drive can obviously only be used over some planetary body, but this body does not necessarily have to be on your vibrational level."

Page 41

"Both the diversion field and the "electro-magnetic" form of drive create an ionization of the air above and around them...........In some of these cases the actual craft may have been operating slightly above the visual range of the Adamic (earth) peoples, and only the corona discharge could be seen by them"

This information is in the book "The White Sands Incident" by Dr. Daniel Fry...Horus House Press printing 1992 (first printing was 1954).

The book contains more information about the doughnut (we now call it the Drone) shaped craft and how it operates as described by the space alien woman in 1954.
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas June 08, 2008, 11:32:18 PM
Historical Drone Sightings - 1800s & 1900s

These quotations are from the book "Flying Saucers Have Landed" by Desmond Leslie & George Adamski, 1953.

Some of these are from the days before airplanes, so the person is doing his best to describe what he sees in the sky. Come to your own conclusions as to what these sightings are. I believe they are early Drone reports......but that is just MHO.

1836... January 12th. Cherbourg, France. A large luminous vessel
hangs over the city. It rotates on its own axis and seem to have a hole in the centre like a doughnut.

1845...May 11th. Signor Capoccci of the Capodimonte Observatory, Naples, Italy. He sees a number of shinning disks flying east to west, some are star shaped and others have luminous tails.

1849...Gais, Switzerland. Some had what appeared to be wings.

1855...August 11, Petworth, Sussex, England. It has spokes like a wheel: 'stationary rays' projecting from it. Visible for ninety minutes.

1871...August 29, France. Formations of highly complex objects, some round, others many sided. some of them hover , then move on.

1874...Oaxaca, Mexico. An immense 'trumpet-shaped' object...four hundred and twenty feet long hangs in the sky for six minutes, swaying gently.

1883...Zacatecas, Mexico. Circular objects with projecting streamers or rays.

1952.... Greenfield, Massachusetts. A large rotating ring, thirty feet in diameter, with the sky visible through the centre. After several seconds it appeared to be composed of two separate four-foot wide rings five feet apart. It followed the earth's contours.

1952...Ontario, Canada. One huge, revolving, ring-like object with a clear center (resembling a bicycle tire on its side) stayed in the sky for four minutes. It was a bright bluish white ring. It appeared to be without a centre.

1952...Los Angeles, California. Object resembling a sharply pointed star and when seen sideways had a sharply pointed rudder. It dived, climbed, and manoeuvered for twenty minutes.

1952...Saskatchchewan, Canada. Disk-like object had a tail like a kite.

: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas June 08, 2008, 11:35:04 PM
More  corroboration from various books.

1952..Contact by 'automatic' writing.  Page 79.."The Flying Saucer Reader"..Jay David.

"There are ships that look like tubes; craft that are round with an opening in the center; and triangular craft."

1947..The Maury Island Episode.    Page 193

"In June 1947, Jackson said, his crew his son were on patrol boat patroling near Maury Island, an island in Pudget sound.
Suddenly everyone on the boat noticed six "doughnut-shaped" objects, just under the clouds, headed towards the boat.
They came closer and closer, and when they were about 500 feet over the boat they stopped. One of the doughnut shaped
objects seem to be in trouble as the other five were hovering around it.  They were close and everybody got a good look.
The UFO's were about 100 feet in diameter, with the "hole in the doughnut" being about 25 feet in diameter.  They were
silver in color and made no noise.  The next morning a mysterious visitor told them to forget about what they had seen".

1952..Inside The Spaceships".   Page 60...Adamski

"Also inside this room was a robot instrument which I was cautioned not to describe.  I had noticed a miniature version of
this robot in the Scout (craft).  I would have liked to stop in this room for closer observation of all of these....machinery and
instruments and to have been permitted to ask questions, but this priviledge was not permitted."

1959..Michigan's "Flying Bird Cage"...Page 132...Menzel...."The World Of Flying Saucers"

"....a man and his wife noticed a strange craft hovering in the sky....the UFO was elongated with a dome on top, something
like a bird cage.....the object seemed to be twenty to thirty feet in diameter...."


: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: tomi June 09, 2008, 01:07:47 AM
Thank you very much for that research! 
 ;D
Absolutely essencial material to have on hand here. 
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Kaelos June 09, 2008, 09:18:16 AM
Very usefull research!
Thanks Douglas!
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: leviathan June 09, 2008, 03:38:03 PM
More ground covered and more knowledge gained.  Let's not forget Ezekiel's Wheel within a Wheel.
Excellent Info.
Thank you, Douglas
IC
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Diouf June 12, 2008, 10:33:01 PM
Hi Douglas,
Thank you for this !  :)
Do any of your books have drawings or pictures?
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas June 13, 2008, 12:08:44 AM
Hi Diouf and friends:

I don't think that any of my books have illustrations.  But the quotes from the books do give almost exact dimensions of the larger drones.  I have posted those citations above.

The quotations from these books also give info on how the Drones are powered.  Also posted above. 

When I began my research I had no idea I would find so much information on the Drones.  Of course, they called  them doughnut shaped ufo's in the 1950's.

The space alien woman stated that people of this planet are not supposed to see these craft.  We now know that they are 'cloaked'.  The top 'bird-cage' rods are the cloaking device and the long arm is used to orient the craft with the north pole of any planet that has a magnetic field.  Imagine a compass.

On the Chad craft you can clearly see the hinges that are attached to the upraised curving legs.  I assume these hinges lower the legs so that the craft has a base to stand on when it is in the mothership.  Adamski reported tht he saw the remote controlled craft on the mothership but he was NOT allowed to look closely at them or write about them in his many books.  Now we know why!

The whole  history of these Drones is that they are  Secret invisible remotely controlled craft that are here from another race of aliens to do scientific studies of this planet and that humans are NOT supposed to see them [except on rare occasions].

[linda Howe has all of my research info as we have been in communication on several occasions.]

Big surprise for the space aliens:  We now see them and we have photographed them.

The Chad and Ty [and others]  photos are the most detailed photos of UFO ever to be seen by the general public.

When I saw the Chad  and Ty my jaw dropped about two feet.  Awesome!
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: leviathan June 13, 2008, 02:18:11 AM
On the Chad craft you can clearly see the hinges that are attached to the upraised curving legs.  I assume these hinges lower the legs so that the craft has a base to stand on when it is in the mothership.  Adamski reported tht he saw the remote controlled craft on the mothership but he was NOT allowed to look closely at them or write about them in his many books.  Now we know why!

One of the many Drone models we constructed shows this standing on lowered legs.  Sometimes, when we were designing our models, we had the feeling something was helping us along.  Strange and silly idea!
IC
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas June 13, 2008, 02:54:00 AM
Nice.  Can you direct me to the pictures of this model
with the lowered legs?  Thanks...........Doug
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: BigFnTuna June 13, 2008, 03:22:24 AM
On the Chad craft you can clearly see the hinges that are attached to the upraised curving legs.  I assume these hinges lower the legs so that the craft has a base to stand on when it is in the mothership.  Adamski reported tht he saw the remote controlled craft on the mothership but he was NOT allowed to look closely at them or write about them in his many books.  Now we know why!

One of the many Drone models we constructed shows this standing on lowered legs.  Sometimes, when we were designing our models, we had the feeling something was helping us along.  Strange and silly idea!
IC

Lev, You see that on the Chad drone?  I see it on the Ty drone...  The "cage" looks like it could open outwards, IMO...   Just curious  :)

Tuna
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: leviathan June 13, 2008, 05:15:11 AM
Douglas, we will post the images here.

Tuna, yes we have thought of the same thing, especially if all the other rings decouple from the main ring.
IC
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas June 13, 2008, 05:32:51 AM
Yes, Tuna, that would be great to post the drawings.  When you enlarge the hi-res  Ty picture you can clearly see that each leg has a hinge.  I forget how many spokes there are....maybe eight or so.  The design is absolutely elegant and one can see that it would last for hundreds of years without malfunction.  The hinges are like interlocking knuckles. There also appears to be some sort of stiff wire or rod that would be a stop or brace mechanism when the legs are lowered.  Way cool design.  Form and function to perfection.

Yes, it would appear that the legs open outward!
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: leviathan June 13, 2008, 05:27:10 PM
When we became interested in the Drones, we started making models.  None were meant to be exact copies.  One we made, was supposed to be more like an actual Dragonfly with many parts and movable parts.  This is it below.  We positioned it in a landing mode to see what the appendages might look like if used as landing struts.  This model was loosely based on the BB Drone, but our Dragonfly version of it.  The tail, we reasoned, might also fold up for storage.  This Model also has a cage under it but not for landing though that is a possibility.  The image with the appendages down and tail up started to look more like a scorpion.  This model has much detail, but still does not meet the detail of the BB Drone.
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff230/ter123abc/LeviathanDFDrone2007.jpg)
IC
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Diouf June 14, 2008, 02:21:03 AM
The whole  history of these Drones is that they are Top Secret invisible remotely controlled craft that are here from another race of aliens to do scientific studies of this planet and that humans are NOT supposed to see them [except on rare occasions].

Thank you Douglas for all these  informations from your books. That's great !  Have you read anything about how the drones (yours or the newer ones) affect humans ?
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas June 14, 2008, 07:57:19 PM
For Diouf:

I don't recall any information about how the Drones affect humans but I am going to reread all of the books again and see if I can pull out some more info for this great site.  I'll post all of it.

As I said before there is some info that I have not posted. 

Douglas
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: leviathan June 14, 2008, 11:48:13 PM
Lev, You see that on the Chad drone?  I see it on the Ty drone...  The "cage" looks like it could open outwards
Quote from Tuna

This could be part of the function of the cage.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff230/ter123abc/BBDroneLandingMethod.jpg)

A simple look at the possibilities.
IC
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas June 15, 2008, 12:03:00 AM
Yes, Leviathan....that's looks correct to my understanding of the landing base for the Drone.    Thank you for posting the drawings.  We're making progress!

I would also suspect that the landing legs would multiple functions. 

: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: BigFnTuna June 22, 2008, 08:58:32 AM
Lev, You see that on the Chad drone?  I see it on the Ty drone...  The "cage" looks like it could open outwards
Quote from Tuna

This could be part of the function of the cage.

(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff230/ter123abc/BBDroneLandingMethod.jpg)

A simple look at the possibilities.
IC

That is nice, although a different setup then what I thought originally.  I imagined that the four legs that you have dropped, would have stayed connected at the top and all 8 legs would disengage from the bottom circle to balance the craft...  I have the program "blender" if anyone would like to send me a quick tutorial ;)

Tuna
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: majicbar June 22, 2008, 09:14:55 AM
I'm sure that the cage is not a landing device. Remember the witness in Oklahoma at sunset  "June 2003 - Hartshorne, Oklahoma backyard [ 030708 Earthfiles ]",
watching the "Ty" type drone with the segments of this cage opening up and closing throughout the sighting. Given the arrangement of this cage and the probe device that exists in its center, it is my belief that these are parts of the cage are some kind of dynamic accelerator that shapes a charged field that is beaming down into the ground some kind of neutron or gamma ray probe looking for a mineralization that can be exploited for some exotic use in prospecting.
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas June 22, 2008, 09:14:11 PM
Yes Maj, I also agree that the cage is some sort of detection device but one can clearly see the hinges on the bottom of the arms  of the cage.  There is even a very clever 'stop block' on the hinges.  This 'stop block' would lock the arms when they are lowered so that it would not travel further.  The 'stop block' rests on the ring that is on the bottom of the 'cage'.  There is nothing really all that original about such a mechanical device.  I've seen them on all kinds of earthly machines and doors.

It would be intuitive logic that there would be some way to land the device.  I don't feel that it would just lie on it's side.  It have to be able to land anywhere if they so desired and the arms would be a very stable stand to rest it on.
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: majicbar June 23, 2008, 04:31:22 AM
As I see it the drone docks with something like a large drum, which is open and thus allows the core of the drone to still function while in flight. Way back when there was a drone video CGI which had a drone taking off from the tarmac at some base, an this seemed all wrong to me. The hallmark of all flighted vehicles and even birds is that there is a "ground effect" as the flight gets within a certain distance of the ground. Thus I think we are on track to say that there is some way that these drones "land". If the "cage" were some landing device, then why not on the "Chad" and Rajmann1977" drones? Again I think that this cage device is part of a scanning remote sensing device and it opens and closes its arms to shape this scanning field, just as radio antenna are positioned on the earth to shape their broadcast footprints. I each case if the drone were to "dock" with a open drum shaped reciever, then there are tabs to catch unto this drum and firmly land the drone and keep it on the ground.
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas June 28, 2008, 12:19:07 AM
"Iâ??m probably in some government file someplace because I ordered the Roswell Report online. You can have a file on yourself too.  Just click here.  I work at PARC, where we actually get to use a lot of the technology that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-flying-saucer swap that followed Roswell.  I also encountered evidence of alien visitation on my trip to Eastern Europe ."


Doug here:

Reproduced above is a quote from the actual resume of Keith Edwards PhD.,  who worked for PARC Research in Palo Alto, CA.  I wrote him an email about this last year and his reply was that the remark about the ET technology was a joke.

Well, Keith, you aren't fooling me.  You are a PhD. and guys like you do not joke around on your official resumes that you post on the Internet for everyone to read.

In fact, Keith, you repeated the same remark on SEVERAL of your resumes that you posted.  I copied them all to my files.

ET artifacts are being studied by university labs and industry.  This is a FACT.

Keith is now a resident professor at a university.
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http://www.cc.gatech.edu/~keith/

His most recent resume curiously is missing that little 'joke' about Alien  technology.  Hmmmm.
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas June 28, 2008, 12:27:57 AM
Email - 2007 From Keith Edward  PhD., Professor, Georgia Tech

"Hello all,

First off, apologies for the delay in getting back to the many mails
I've received over the last few days; I've been on vacation and am
just catching up with my email.

I have to say, the rash of email I've received has caught me somewhat
off-guard.  I want to let you all know that I'm not the "Isaac" many
of you have asked me about.  The comments on my website about "using
alien technology" were meant to be something of a joke.  Xerox PARC,
where I used to work, had a reputation for working on advanced
technology projects; that, coupled with my interest in Roswell lore,
led me to post that comment on my page.

I'm sorry for any confusion this caused.  I wish you all the best of
luck in your search!"

Sincerely,
Keith Edwards
Associate Professor
Georgia Tech


Doug here:

 Copied above is the email that Keith sent to me.  Anyone can see that his excuse is very lame.  "Somewhat of a joke"....sorry Keith, I don't buy it.  You did work on alien technology...I know it and you know it.  We all know it.  But I can understand that you were caught 'off-guard".  Who wouldn't be!

College professors don't really care if this stuff is all supposed to be TopSecret. 
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas June 28, 2008, 12:41:08 AM
 "I got doctorized at Georgia Tech in the venerable discipline of computer science. My old home page has been slowly rotting, but you can visit it to inspect the remains.

From there I moved on to Xerox PARC [ed. he worked there for nine years], where I'm a senior member of the research staff, and get to play with a bunch of the technologies that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-tech swap after Roswell.

In earlier past lives, I worked at SunSoft, Sun Microsystems Labs, and the now-defunct Olivetti Research Center (all on internships), and a bunch of places as a consultant, including the now-defunct NeXT Computer.

Going all the way back, I was born in Fredricksburg, Virginia, and grew up in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I'm a leo and my favorite color is blue."

Doug here:

Here is a copy from part of another Keith Edwards, PhD., resume.  And  again we can see the so-called joke about working on ET  technology.  In fact, Keith is not joking, he is bragging.

: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas July 28, 2008, 10:02:26 PM
http://www.iamuniversity.ch/Venus

Here is a link if anyone is interested in who may operate the drones.

Also below is a quote from this website page. Note the next to last sentence.

I only offer this as information...not as fact.

"They are basically using seven different types of UFO ships, besides the mother ships that transport the smaller craft. Five of these carry crews while two are robotic in nature. Two of the craft are crescent in shape that resemble a disc from which a bite has been taken out. Another one is cigar shaped and is about 100 feet long and 25 feet wide. Another type of craft is doughnut shaped. The last three are spherical or ball-shaped in nature."

: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas July 28, 2008, 10:21:11 PM
Here is another quotation from the "space beings" that may operate the Drones:


http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/otof/otof12.htm

"Many of you have seen our 'advance guard' already. You have met us often in the streets of your cities; but you have not noticed us. Some, however, do 'sense' us! When we speed through your skies in the traditional vehicles, you are amazed, and those of you who tell of what you have seen are ac-counted dupes and fools. Actually, you are prophets of your age, seers in the true sense of the word. You in Kansas and Oklahoma, you in Oregon and in California, and Idaho, Indiana, Maine, and Vermont--you who know what you have seen, do not be dismayed by what so-called 'authorities' tell you. Remember, many of them haven't seen what you have! Their faulty opinions are not based on actual experience.

"Can you imagine a material almost transparent to the rays of ordinary light, yet strong enough to endure the stress of extremely rapid flight? Look

p. 229

again at the Great Nebulae, and think of the construction of your own Milky Way Galaxy, and be-hold the Universal examples of what we have found to be the perfect shape for an object which is to travel through what you still fondly refer to as 'empty' space. Our Crystal Bells operate in their own Resonating Electro-Magnetic Field the same as all celestial bodies do. Your own Saros is nothing but a huge space craft. We can travel the so-called 'speed of light' and faster, but actually light does not travel; Light Is!

"If we chose to remain unseen, we could do so easily and, in fact, we have done so almost without exception for hundreds of years. No one sees us unless we want to be seen! You must now become accustomed to our shapes in your skies, for one day soon they will be familiar, friendly, and reassuring sights.

"One of our very ancient prophecy legends says: "To the apples we salt we return." Some of you understand what this means. Long ago we knew what would take place on Saros and we knew that we would have to come down and dwell with you to accomplish certain objectives. Many of us have only recently arrived on your world and were brought here by space craft from our respective homes in this System and other systems. Our Confederation is large, but unfortunately, there are those of other worlds who are not here in the name of the Infinite Father. They are intruders!

"Many of us came centuries ago, and especially

p. 230

during the last part of your nineteenth century. Some of you are our direct descendants. Some of you were incarnated back into Saros from other planets and only recently have you begun to realize who you are and what your true purpose is. You are one with us and must prepare to meet the work ahead of us all. You are the 'apples' we 'salted away' until we had need of them. That time is now here. We have returned! However, all the 'seeds' have not matured; some have rotted. Therefore, some of you because of certain conditions will never know who you are. We are all space beings since all life is spiritual in essence and inhabits space. We are all the Creator's children; we are brothers and sisters.

"All of our people now on your planet are working toward the new order of things shortly to en-gulf your world. We are Knights of the Solar Cross. De you understand this? If you do fail, as other worlds have failed, then we will know what to do. The Council-Circle 7 has completed its work here, and matters have now been turned over to the Universal Tribunal. You will soon notice even stranger changes begin to take place in your world: unbelievable changes to you.

"Recognize us for what we are; we are here! We are a Confederation of many peoples working in Eternal Light. Our love and light to all of you. May our Infinite Father guide you always. For my brothers, I am, 'One Who Serves'."

Presented for information purposes only.  Make up your own mind as to it's truth.

: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Endzone July 29, 2008, 09:09:42 PM
Truly provactive! And it feels like it holds many truths in my heart.
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas November 22, 2008, 11:01:16 PM
I thought I would repost Dr. Edwards 2007 email again for your information, word analysis and comments.

 He sent this to me after I emailed him concerning his resume comments about working on  "alien technology that we got from the grays".  He tries to wiggle out of his remarks but spectacularly fails to do so.  In fact, his remarks about 'alien technology' are still alive and well within his public resume.  Did he work on alien artifacts?  Its obvious that he did.  Happy weekend all.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hello all,

First off, apologies for the delay in getting back to the many mails
I've received over the last few days; I've been on vacation and am
just catching up with my email.

I have to say, the rash of email I've received has caught me somewhat
off-guard.  I want to let you all know that I'm not the "Isaac" many
of you have asked me about.  The comments on my website about "using
alien technology" were meant to be something of a joke.  Xerox PARC,
where I used to work, had a reputation for working on advanced
technology projects; that, coupled with my interest in Roswell lore,
led me to post that comment on my page.

I'm sorry for any confusion this caused.  I wish you all the best of
luck in your search!

Sincerely,
Keith Edwards
Associate Professor
Georgia Tech

: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Nemo492 November 22, 2008, 11:09:23 PM
(http://ovnis-usa.com/images/Keith_Edwards.gif)
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas December 26, 2008, 03:13:43 AM
I am currently researching the 1947 Project Blue Book cases that have been released to the public. I am looking for possible Drone related reports that would be of interest to the members of this forum. Here are two and there appear to be several more that I will post later.

May I add that these two reports sound,  for all practical purposes,  exactly like the reports of 2007.  We should remember that these witnesses are seeing something they have never seen before and do not understand.

DOUGLAS
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Case:

June 1947, near Aloha, Oregon: While driving between Portland and Aloha at sundown, sometime in June, Mrs. August Krause saw an object making loops in the air. She described it as saucer-shaped, with the top more rounded than the bottom. She said the object would execute a loop with a slight hover at the top of each loop.

Attached to this object was a  flexible appendage that bore a resemblance to the tail of a kite, in length longer than the width of the object, and with "small cross pieces at regular intervals" along its length. At the top of each loop, as the object remained momentarily suspended, the tail "did not droop," but remained fixed in position behind the object; then, as the disc continued its maneuver, the tail would follow in a flexible arc.

Mrs. Krause had stopped the car and rolled down the window to be sure she wasn't looking at some kind of reflection. She watched this strange performance for almost five minutes, during which time the object came closer and closer. Then it suddenly moved off in a straight line at high speed and was lost to view. Mrs. Krause had no idea as to the size or distance of the object, but there were clouds in the sky, and the object was below these clouds. She had it in view long enough to be certain of the peculiar behavior of the flexible tail.

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Case 242

 - July 4,1947, near Pattonville, Missouri: About 5:00 p.m. CDT, while on a picnic on Old St. Charles Road, four miles west of Pattonville, Nova Hart, a St. Louis mechanic living at 2969A St. Ferdinand Avenue, his wife Marveline, and her parents, Mr. and Mrs. J. H. Jackson, of 3906 Kennerly Avenue, St. Louis, saw what appeared to be an inverted, saucer-shaped object, "ribbed like a parachute canopy," gliding slowly in a westerly direction no more than 300 feet above the ground.

Hart, a former infantryman trained as an aircraft spotter, said "I've never seen anything like it. It looked more like a parachute than anything, though it appeared to have a propeller in the middle." The propeller, attached to the center of the underside, appeared to Hart to act "more as a stabilizer than a source of power." The object made no noise as it floated over the observers. It was silver-grey in color; one news account describes it as appearing "transparent."

As it moved in the direction of St. Charles, the observers said it "kept turning in a slow roll." The object was circular, between 20 and 25 feet in diameter, and had what looked to Mrs. Hart like "a ragged tail" on it (the propeller). They watched it for three or four minutes before it disappeared from view.

Dr. McDonald was able to locate Mr. And Mrs. Hart and interview them by phone. Neither could recall who first saw the object but Hart said they became aware of it when a shadow was cast on their party. They saw the curious object drifting slowly toward them at a speed of about 50 or 60 miles an hour, no more than several hundred feet off the ground. It was moving from south to north (not east to west, as reported in the press accounts). The upper surface was hemispherical, with ribbing, like a parachute canopy. Mrs. Hart compared it to the top of an umbrella. The object was silver-grey (not "transparent," as one press account had it), rather like some dull metallic surface covering --"like the dull side of aluminum foil," as Mrs. Hart put it.

Hart explained the newspaper references to the "slow roll" the object performed: as it approached the viewers from the south, its near edge was tipped upward, exposing the underside. When it passed over them, it leveled off, and in moving northward, curiously, it tipped in the opposite direction -- that is, the edge nearest them was again tipped upward. This puzzled Hart. Aside from the slow tipping action, there was no irregular motion -- no spinning or undulating.

The underside appeared to consist of a red conical substructure, point down, and near the bottom of the cone (which Hart compared to "red plastic") was something like a propeller -- an appendage likened by Hart to "a rope ladder." Mrs. Hart said it had the appearance to her of a "tattered edge." It was about five or six feet in diameter, and was moving too slowly and was too small to be a source of motive power, in their opinion. The propeller puzzled them a great deal. It made no noise, they said.

The Harts mentioned a number of other people in the picnic area who were all watching the object. Several people came up and asked them what they thought it was. One man, in a truck, tried to follow it; he was last seen hanging out the door as his truck went down the road in pursuit of the object. Hart called the paper primarily to try to identify the object. He received a great deal of kidding about it and could understand why others were not reporting them. He was never interrogated by the Air Force.
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: EVS December 31, 2008, 12:48:56 AM
Douglas,

It is very, very interesting what you find!

It helps us to see, that the Drones might have a time in History that we never knew...

So good to read, please keep on searching! This is the backup we really need now!

Happy New Year 2009!

EVS
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas December 31, 2008, 03:17:30 AM
Here are some more Project Blue Book cases from 1947. 



Case 306 -- July 5, Bethesda, Maryland: Jack LaBous, a Washington artist living in the 3500 block of East Capital Street, was riding on a Benning bus near Bethesda sometime during the morning when he saw a flat, disc-shaped object with a small dome-like shape on the underside, spinning high in the air at an altitude he estimated to be above 15,000 feet. He also noticed a stick-like appendage, like a radio antenna, protruding downward from the center under the object .

Mr. LaBous worked for eight years as a visual artist for the Civil Aeronautics Administration; when he saw the object, he quickly made a sketch of it on the back of an envelope he had in his pocket. The detail of the "antenna-like" appendage is remarkably similar to the device described by Gregory Zimmer in Sioux Falls the following day (Case 452).
 
    
Case 330 -- July 5, Tacoma, Washington: In many sightings witnesses reported that a group of objects appeared to be "connected" by unseen wires or string, or by some other invisible means, because they moved in unison, or in a manner that suggested some kind of connection between them. In the following report, an actual physical appendage was reported seen joining two objects together.
Mrs. Lillian Emblem, of 1115 6th Avenue, reported seeing two objects at fairly close range. She said that the objects "really looked like two spools, joined together by a connecting rod." For about 30 seconds she and a friend, Mrs. Marie Reed, watched the objects move silently through the air at about the speed of a plane.

Case 322 -- July 5, Covington, Kentucky: Mrs. Dorothy Kreve and Mrs. May Lawrence, both of 434 Johnson Street, Covington, reported that they had seen a circular object "with legs" flying overhead during the afternoon. This altogether too brief account becomes more interesting when compared with the following report, almost equally as brief.

Case 401 -- July 6, Chicago, Illinois: This report is reprinted in its entirety, as it appeared in numerous papers on July 7. The original account could not be found in the Chicago papers.

Chicago, July 6 (UP)-- An excited woman telephoned a Chicago newspaper Sunday to report that she had seen a "flying saucer" and that "it had legs."
"I was standing on the porch," she said, "and I thought for sure it was coming down and slap me in the face."

Case 452 -- July 6, Sioux Falls, South Dakota: Gregory Zimmer, County Treasurer's assistant, reported that at 5:15 p.m. CST he saw a "round object resembling a balloon" fly over his house at 1328 West Sioux Street, as he lay in his back yard. The object flew over at high speed, "traveling faster than the fastest planes," according to Zimmer. It was described as generally silver colored, "like a Christmas decoration," while a part of the top appeared darker in color. The object was flying at an estimated height of nearly 10,000 feet in a southwesterly direction.
Zimmer said that the object had a "little tail sticking straight down," similar to the appendage described by Jack LaBous (Case 306), on the previous day. This "thread-like tail," instead of trailing behind the object, appeared more like a rigid projection underneath it.
Marine Ace Joe Foss, head of the Sioux Falls National Guard unit, sent a pilot aloft to look for the object, but the pilot reportedly saw nothing unusual. Kenneth Clark, a local meteorologist, said there had been a garden party for children at the Veterans Hospital during the afternoon, at which time helium-filled balloons had been used as decorations.
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas December 31, 2008, 03:23:13 AM
More Possible Drone sightings from 1947


Case 227 -- July 14, Troutdale, Oregon: Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Berry, of 915 N.E. Killingsworth Street, Portland, reported that they and an unidentified friend had seen an object that bore a resemblance to "a star" to the naked eye, as it traveled in a northeasterly direction over Troutdale at an unspecified time during the day. They examined the object through binoculars and said that through the glasses the object appeared to be V-shaped. It was flying in a straight, level course, but seemed to be "dipping a bit" as it flew along, and flashing in the sun, according to the witnesses.
Case 444 -- July 6, Darlington, South Carolina: While swimming in the Black Creek late in the afternoon, J. V. Watts, Jr., an attorney with the law firm of State Senator James F. Mozingo III, said that he had seen ten or twelve wing-shaped objects flying in a V-formation, and weaving up and down as they moved at a comparatively slow rate of speed. The objects appeared metallic and bore no resemblance to reported "discs" or "saucers," according to Watts; they were clearly wing-shaped. He saw no propellers or fuselage on them, and he estimated their speed at between 150 and 200 miles an hour, and their height at about 3,000 feet. He added that shortly after their passage overhead he saw an Army plane following in the same direction. He was of the opinion that the pilot of the plane could not have failed to see the objects ahead off him. However, no report of such an encounter appears in the official Air Force files.
Satellite Object Reports


Case 20 -- June 21, Spokane, Washington: While watching a plane fly over at 11:55 a.m. PST, Guy R. Overman, of Spokane, said his attention was attracted to several flashing objects in the southern sky, ahead of and below the plane. The flashes came from one silvery object which appeared as "a more or less distinct line, or slim body," moving on a course to the south, or a little west of south. This object appeared quite large, and did not seem to be traveling as fast as the plane. Above this object and apparently at the same, or possibly higher, altitude as the plane, were two more smaller, less distinct objects, also moving in the same direction. These smaller objects, like the larger one, were silver in color and were also ''flashing." The plane soon outdistanced all three objects, which disappeared after several minutes to the south. The sighting is among those in the Air Force files and is explained as "balloons."
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas December 31, 2008, 03:26:22 AM
Drone sightings. in 1947...??


Case 227 -- July 14, Troutdale, Oregon: Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Berry, of 915 N.E. Killingsworth Street, Portland, reported that they and an unidentified friend had seen an object that bore a resemblance to "a star" to the naked eye, as it traveled in a northeasterly direction over Troutdale at an unspecified time during the day. They examined the object through binoculars and said that through the glasses the object appeared to be V-shaped. It was flying in a straight, level course, but seemed to be "dipping a bit" as it flew along, and flashing in the sun, according to the witnesses.
Case 444 -- July 6, Darlington, South Carolina: While swimming in the Black Creek late in the afternoon, J. V. Watts, Jr., an attorney with the law firm of State Senator James F. Mozingo III, said that he had seen ten or twelve wing-shaped objects flying in a V-formation, and weaving up and down as they moved at a comparatively slow rate of speed. The objects appeared metallic and bore no resemblance to reported "discs" or "saucers," according to Watts; they were clearly wing-shaped. He saw no propellers or fuselage on them, and he estimated their speed at between 150 and 200 miles an hour, and their height at about 3,000 feet. He added that shortly after their passage overhead he saw an Army plane following in the same direction. He was of the opinion that the pilot of the plane could not have failed to see the objects ahead off him. However, no report of such an encounter appears in the official Air Force files.
Satellite Object Reports


Case 20 -- June 21, Spokane, Washington: While watching a plane fly over at 11:55 a.m. PST, Guy R. Overman, of Spokane, said his attention was attracted to several flashing objects in the southern sky, ahead of and below the plane. The flashes came from one silvery object which appeared as "a more or less distinct line, or slim body," moving on a course to the south, or a little west of south. This object appeared quite large, and did not seem to be traveling as fast as the plane. Above this object and apparently at the same, or possibly higher, altitude as the plane, were two more smaller, less distinct objects, also moving in the same direction. These smaller objects, like the larger one, were silver in color and were also ''flashing." The plane soon outdistanced all three objects, which disappeared after several minutes to the south. The sighting is among those in the Air Force files and is explained as "balloons."
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas December 31, 2008, 03:31:22 AM
Case 556 -- July 7, Tacoma, Washington: A little more than three hours after Mrs. Herdliska had seen the second flight of mama and baby discs, a similar sighting was made by two Tacoma policemen. At 2:30 a,m. PST, prowl car officers Evan Davies and Stan Johnson were parked at North 33rd and Adams Streets with their headlights and motor turned off. Davies' attention was caught by a "streak" in the sky; looking more closely, he saw a strange spectacle. "I didn't say anything," he reported later. "Then I noticed Stan was watching it too."
"Do you see anything?" Johnson asked.
"Yeah, do you?" Davies answered cautiously.
"I thought I was crazy," Johnson remarked with relief. "I've been watching it for five minutes."
"So have I," his partner admitted.
The cause for this guarded exchange was the sight of a group of six or seven disc-like objects seen just below a bright moon in the southern sky. One central object, larger than the others, seemed to act as a sort of "flagship." The smaller objects would make repeated movements toward the large disc and then glide away to the south. The officers said the larger disc appeared to be "spinning like a top, and throwing off sparks like a bursting sky rocket," and then attracting the tiny objects back "like a mother hen with her chicks."
The officers estimated that the objects were at an altitude of about 10,000 feet. The smaller "and more distinct objects" began to move westward in a loose group, and vanished from view, while the large disc remained for a brief time in one spot, and then it too began to move westward. The men decided to give chase, and Davies radioed the police dispatcher, D. F. Erickson, "Car No. 5, Johnson and Davies to KGZN. We're chasing a flying saucer towards the Narrows Bridge site."
As they sped westward, the officers radioed their course and a running description of the phenomenon. Johnson said that although it was impossible to judge altitude, size, speed or distance accurately, the large disc appeared to move at tremendous speed and was the apparent "size of a softball." One of the smaller discs was seen flying over South Tacoma; later, another was seen to the west, over Hood Canal; a third, which flew out of sight in less than a minute, appeared over Commencement Bay. At one point, the large object made a rapid ascent of an estimated 5,000 feet above its former altitude at extremely high speed, "quicker than you could snap your fingers," according to Davies. He said that the parent disc "seemed a shade of red part of the time, particularly when it zoomed upward, but most of the time it was a sort of luminous silver." (AP quoted him as saying its color turned from "brilliant red to purple to blue-white and back to red.'")
( II â?? 19 )
The officers finally lost sight of the object over the western horizon. In all, they had observed the phenomenon for a half an hour. At the police station, officers said an unnamed caller from South Tacoma had phoned in exactly at the same time to report seeing the same spectacle, and M. C. Streans, of 913 South L, reported he had watched the same phenomenon sometime after 2:00 a.m.
Dr. McDonald interviewed Evan Davies, who is still with the Tacoma police force, on two consecutive days by phone. Davies recalled that the night of the sighting was very clear. He and Stan Johnson were parked in Car D-3 near the Tacoma Narrows Bridge, facing west, when they first saw the objects. Davies compared the motion of the smaller ones to "sparks that shot out away from the main object but then would come back to it" like a "sparkler, except for their reentry." He put their altitude roughly at 10,000 feet.
Davies told McDonald that the most striking feature of the entire sighting was the way the objects would suddenly jump from one location to another spot "miles away." At one point they had shot up suddenly through a substantial vertical distance. About mid-point during the sighting the objects began moving south, then west, and they eventually disappeared in the direction of the ocean. Both Davies and Johnson agreed that these objects could not have been any conventional aircraft.
Davies added that there was another patrol car which had been alerted and he said that the officers in that car had also seen the objects. The name of one of the men he recalled as George Hager, no longer with the Tacoma police force but still living in Tacoma. Between Dr. McDonald's first and second interviews with Davies, the latter had talked with Stan Johnson about the sighting, and Johnson vividly recalled the way the objects jumped over considerable distances.


Case 597 -- July 7, Cicero, Illinois: At some unspecified time during the day, Richard Allen, 19, of 2935 South 29th, saw a formation consisting of one large disc, about the size of a blimp and silver in color, with three or four smaller discs following it in a straight line. The objects were seen flying over 29th and Laramie.


Case 660 -- July 7, Manchester, Maine: A report of an "illuminated galaxy of flying discs" seen by three members of a family during the evening was made. The objects were seen first by Charles Crockett, 15, as he was walking toward his home on the highway between Manchester Four Corners and the Augusta Country Club, at 9:30 p.m. EDT. The cluster of luminous objects was seen to the west, over the north end of Lake Cobbosseecontee. They were still there when he arrived home a few minutes later, so he summoned his mother, Mrs. Doris Crockett, and his grandmother, Mrs. Abbie Hallowell, who confirmed his observation.
Mrs. Crockett said that the lighted objects appeared to be just above the treetops at the north end of the lake. She described one circular, stationary light "that looked something the way the moon does breaking through a cloud." Bright flashing lights that appeared and disappeared were seen revolving around the stationary object. Mrs. Crockett said these lights resembled the "quickly cast beams of a flashlight." The central spot of light gradually faded, she reported, and then the whirling spots of light also disappeared.
Charles described what he saw as "about eight or ten smaller discs revolving around a big disc-shaped spot of light." The objects remained in view for fifteen minutes before they faded out of sight.
Spectators at an out-of-door boxing match in Winthrop, a few miles to the west, saw lights of a similar description at about the same time, but they were said to have been reflections of searchlights on clouds (Case 659). There may also be some connection with the sighting made near Rome, Maine, a short time before the Manchester appearance (II-10).
One other report that qualifies as a satellite object case is the sighting made earlier in the spring of 1947 by Mrs. H. G. Olavick and Mrs. William Down, at Tucson, Arizona, and reported directly to Dr. McDonald by one of the witnesses. Details of this report are included in the Introduction.
 
    
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas January 21, 2009, 10:09:54 PM
If the Drones and Issac are a hoax or confabulation then why do the '2007 Drones' resemble the ones that have been written about and sighted in the skies for the last 200 years?

I only ask this question to provoke some thoughts and replies.  In respect to the work being done at DroneHoax.com,  I find it fascinating to read.

Is there a nefarious link between the historical reports I revealed and the current phenom?  [I refer to the many sightings I cited in the thread "Historical Reports & Citations from Books.]

Are the historical Drones and these current [2007] reports much more complicated than previously understood?  Did someone read these old reports and decide to make an up-to-date version including a lot of photos and drawings and then call it authentic?

No one can ignore the fact that the 2007 Drones are nearly identical to the reports of the past 50 years.

: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas April 06, 2009, 12:31:11 AM
Eyewitness report from Chitina, Alaska...1976



We stayed warm," he replies. "There wasn't much you could do but sit in the chair or go to bed."

"Except to watch the UFO," Kathy says. She tells me that a large spacecraft set down one night on a ridge visible from the cabin window. She gestures toward the hills on the other side of Chitina.

"It looked like a giant dragonfly." Her voice pitches higher.  "It had wings and a long body with a big head."

"How long did you watch it?"

"It sat on the ridge for nearly an hour. We could see lights inside and creatures moving around."  She is shouting and gesturing with her hands. I look at Mark, his long hair shades his eyes, but he nods in agreement.

Headlights flash through the window.  It's Gordon in his Dodge Power Wagon with a ton of ore.

"Overflows on the road near Strelna," he says. "I need a flashlight. My lights started flickering after plowing through the last one."

I hand him my light. He disappears under the hood of the Power Wagon, finds a frayed wire, and wraps it with black tape. We start unloading fifty pound burlap bags filled with calcacite and lift them up onto the back of the flatbed.  After tying down the load, I grab some groceries,  and we go inside.  Mark and Kathy stay in the shadows, only coming into the light as I hand out food. I don't say anything about the UFO.  The next morning, I look at the ridge where the spaceship set down and tell Gordon about the interstellar dragonfly.

He shrugs. He asks if I can drop him off in Copper Center to pick up a car he left during a cold snap, and wants to know if I have jumper cables. We jump in the flatbed and I start backing down the hill. "It's Mark and Kathy's first winter," he says.

: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas November 15, 2009, 11:47:28 PM
I believe that one of the craft that Old Testament Bible writer Ezeikel had seen was a Drone.  Most interesting is that this large Drone had FOUR 'faces'.....which is exactly as Ezeikel reports and each 'face' appears to have markings that he calles 'eyes'.  Which is probably what they are in a sense.  If this is accurate, that means that the Drones have been observing earth for thousands of years...just as I and others have suspected from the beginning of the '07 sightings.

Here is the OT Bible quote:

I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north-- and immense cloud with flashing lighting and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man, but each of them had four faces and four wings.

Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings, and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved. (1:4-9)

Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body. Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning. (1:10-14)

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went. their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. (1:15-18)

When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels... When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of the Almighty, like the tumult of an army. (1:19-20, 24,) (New International Version)

: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas November 15, 2009, 11:50:36 PM
Drone with quotes from Ezeikel....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v475/Douglas606/zxxdrane.jpg)
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas November 16, 2009, 08:09:49 PM
The following is a report taken from the North American Review, 3:320-322, 1816 - a report which the author E. Acharius was also talking to the Royal Academy. The event took place over the village Biskophsberga.
On the 16th of last May (1816),  west, a cloudless sky, at about 4 O'clock, p.m., At the same time there appeared at the western horizon, to arise gradually, and in quick succession, a great number of balls, or spherical bodies, to the naked eye of the size of the crown of a hat, and of a dark brown color.


No report, noise, nor any whistling or buzzing in the air was perceived. As these bodies slackened their course on passing by the sun, several were linked together, three, six, or eight of them in a line, joined like chain-shot by a thin and straight bar; but on continuing again amore rapid course (speed), they separated, and each having a tail after it, apparently of three or four fathoms length, wider at its base where it adhered to the ball, and gradually decreasing, till it terminated in a fine point (tapered tails).
The author goes on to state that some of the balls came to Earth near one observer. As it neared the ground it lost its black color and became hard to see until they reached the ground and again became more visible, but this time as a ball of changing colors.
The people compared them to soap bubbles. These then disappeared leaving a thin film: "....a scarcely perceptible film or pellicle, as thin as a cobwed, which (itself) was still changing colors, but soon dried up and vanished.
Since this event took hours it was witnessed by all the people of the village.

: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: danblast November 24, 2009, 02:38:42 PM
Nice Doug, a surprising common thing to me is how many of these old reports mention a bronze/gold like color. For the most part what I have observed through the media over the years is either silver, or color changing, or bright lights. The Drones were really the first pictures of a craft with that color that I have ever seen, now all these old reports mention similar if not the same colors I find it an interesting connection.
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas November 24, 2009, 11:39:01 PM
Yes, Dan.  When I first saw the Ty photos of the Drone I was amazed at the color.  The color may actually be somewhat altered due to the subtle forcefield around the body of the craft.  Hard to tell for sure.  Also, when it is activated the color of the metal may change. 

My impression of the design overall, is that it is one weird and creepy looking object but totally functional.  The space alien calls it their "flying laboratory".   One can only wonder how much data it is actually sensing/recording at any one moment.  I would suspect....a lot.


Nice Doug, a surprising common thing to me is how many of these old reports mention a bronze/gold like color. For the most part what I have observed through the media over the years is either silver, or color changing, or bright lights. The Drones were really the first pictures of a craft with that color that I have ever seen, now all these old reports mention similar if not the same colors I find it an interesting connection.
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas November 02, 2010, 04:42:08 AM
Here is the Bible quote from Ezekiel...could he have seen a drone? 


I looked, and I saw a windstorm coming out of the north-- and immense cloud with flashing lighting and surrounded by brilliant light. The center of the fire looked like glowing metal, and in the fire was what looked like four living creatures. In appearance their form was that of a man, but each of them had four faces and four wings.

Their legs were straight; their feet were like those of a calf and gleamed like burnished bronze. Under their wings on their four sides they had the hands of a man. All four of them had faces and wings, and their wings touched one another. Each one went straight ahead; they did not turn as they moved. (1:4-9)

Their faces looked like this: Each of the four had the face of a man, and on the right side each had the face of a lion, and on the left the face of an ox; each also had the face of an eagle. Such were their faces. Their wings were spread out upward; each had two wings, one touching the wing of another creature on either side, and two wings covering its body. Each one went straight ahead. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, without turning as they went. The appearance of the living creatures was like burning coals of fire or like torches; it was bright, and lightning flashed out of it. The creatures sped back and forth like flashes of lightning. (1:10-14)

As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the ground beside each creature with its four faces. This was the appearance and structure of the wheels: They sparkled like chrysolite, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel. As they moved, they would go in any one of the four directions the creatures faced; the wheels did not turn about as the creatures went. their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. (1:15-18)

When the living creatures moved, the wheels beside them moved; and when the living creatures rose from the ground, the wheels also rose. Wherever the spirit would go, they would go, and the wheels would rise along with them, because the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels... When the creatures moved, I heard the sound of their wings, like the roar of the Almighty, like the tumult of an army. (1:19-20, 24,) (New International Version)
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas November 02, 2010, 04:52:36 AM
Here is an excerpt from Dr. Keith Edwards' resume that he posted on the Internet.  He removed part of it after I emailed him in 2007.  Here is proof that he worked on alien parts that the US Government has in it's possession.

The excerpt:

"I got doctorized at Georgia Tech in the venerable discipline of computer science. My old home page has been slowly rotting, but you can visit it to inspect the remains.

From there I moved on to Xerox PARC, where I'm a senior member of the research staff, and get to play with a bunch of the technologies that our government got from the small greys in the abductee-for-tech swap after Roswell.

In earlier past lives, I worked at SunSoft, Sun Microsystems Labs, and the now-defunct Olivetti Research Center (all on internships), and a bunch of places as a consultant, including the now-defunct NeXT Computer.

Going all the way back, I was born in Fredricksburg, Virginia, and grew up in Chattanooga, Tennessee. I'm a leo and my favorite color is blue."
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas August 01, 2011, 01:07:41 AM
Case Number:   29471
Log Number:   US-06102011-0003
Submitted Date:   2011-06-10 02:29 GMT
Event Date:   2011-06-09 20:20 GMT
Status:   Completed
City:   Oakdale
Region:   California
Country:   US
Longitude:   -120.8471545
Latitude:   37.7665947
Shape:   Other
Duration:   00:02:00
Distance:   100 feet or less
Location:   Farmland
Visibility:   Clear
Weather:   None
Entity Type:   None
Vallee Index:   CE1
Description:   

I was coming back from a poker tournament with a friend and the sky was still bright. I saw something in the air about 60-100 ft. I kept looking and couldn't figure out what it was, it stayed in the same spot and as we were getting closer to it coming down the highway (Mariposa rd.) toward Stockton from Oakdale I kept looking at and saying Do YOU SEE THAT APRIL? DO YOU SEE THAT? It was NOT a balloon, or weather balloon, or a chinese lantern or a model airplane or a regular airplane or a helicopter, my mind couldn't wrap around it because I have NEVER seen anything like it. It looked like a large jellyfish with a round top, something around the middle and large wavy things that hung down as it hovered that came to a point at a wide angle. It did not have any lights, and it was a dark grey color, not shiny or bright or mult colored at all. We turned around to try to catch it on video on our phones, I don't think we were successful because we didn't see it again. Shortly after we turned around a jet flying very low passed by very near where we saw it, going very fast. I have never seen anything like this in my life! Oh, and we didn't hear it make any sound which was weird. We scanned the entire sky looking for it again, in the fields, on the side of the road, everywhere, and it was gone! POOF!! I was so scared I didn't know what to do, but thought I should report it. The crossroad where we turned around at was Wagner rd. We saw the object, THAT WAS DEFINITELY A UFO right above the road above a cow farm on our left. I can't think of anything else that I remember, but I drew a picture of it after we got back into town.
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Douglas August 14, 2011, 02:04:44 PM
This report is copied from Earth Files dot com:

6)  Subject: RE: Oltissis and Alta
Date: July 9, 2011
To: Linda Moulton Howe <earthfiles@earthfiles.com>

Thank you, Linda, for the fascinating Oltissis report. Wonder if there is any link to Alta of ancient Atlantis?

Btw, I also saw one of these drones back in 1994 which led to me being harassed. I actually didn't know anything about drones at the time. I only saw this strange, spiky UFO while driving down Midlothian Turnpike in Richmond, Virginia, with a friend.

I was a young, freelance writer at the time, so I thought I would write a newspaper article on the UFO. I naively contacted the Richmond Times-Dispatch to speak with the writer of another UFO story (there had been several UFOs spotted in nearby Goochland County at that time), and when I told them that I wanted to talk to someone about the UFO story they had run, they immediately patched me through to an "official" of some sort, who began grilling me about the UFO that I had seen. I told him that I wasn't interested in speaking about the UFO I saw; I only wanted to speak with the guy who wrote the original story about the Goochland UFO. But the official-guy ignored my request and continued grilling me about the spiky UFO (â??was it as big as my thumbnail at armâ??s length, etc.â?), which weirded me out to the point where I finally hung up on him. The next morning black helicopters began buzzing my house just above the treetops.
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: Prosopon August 15, 2011, 01:35:44 PM
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: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: ominoustruth August 15, 2011, 02:12:30 PM
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6)  Subject: RE: Oltissis and Alta
Date: July 9, 2011
To: Linda Moulton Howe <earthfiles@earthfiles.com>

Thank you, Linda, for the fascinating Oltissis report. Wonder if there is any link to Alta of ancient Atlantis?

Btw, I also saw one of these drones back in 1994 which led to me being harassed. I actually didn't know anything about drones at the time. I only saw this strange, spiky UFO while driving down Midlothian Turnpike in Richmond, Virginia, with a friend.

I was a young, freelance writer at the time, so I thought I would write a newspaper article on the UFO. I naively contacted the Richmond Times-Dispatch to speak with the writer of another UFO story (there had been several UFOs spotted in nearby Goochland County at that time), and when I told them that I wanted to talk to someone about the UFO story they had run, they immediately patched me through to an "official" of some sort, who began grilling me about the UFO that I had seen. I told him that I wasn't interested in speaking about the UFO I saw; I only wanted to speak with the guy who wrote the original story about the Goochland UFO. But the official-guy ignored my request and continued grilling me about the spiky UFO (â??was it as big as my thumbnail at armâ??s length, etc.â?), which weirded me out to the point where I finally hung up on him. The next morning black helicopters began buzzing my house just above the treetops.
Hi Douglas, Thanks for posting this. The "Buzzing Helicopters" this person reports reminds me of an incident that happened to me in the summer of 2010. I was cutting grass in my front yard on a beautiful summer morning. I had just stopped the mower to add fuel when i heard a loud roar off in the distance. I turned to see what it could be and in an instant over the treetops traveling at at incredible speed was a huge black B1 LANCER bomber. as it came past, it turned on its side and was close enough to the ground that i could see both the pilot and co pilot in the cockpit and make out small details of the entire aircraft. I could not have been any higher than maybe 200ft off the ground when it passed over my head. I could actually feel the jet blast as it passed. I was SHOCKED to say the least. There were and are NO B1 Bombers stationed at any AFB base anywhere in my area. I think it was one of the first and most intimidating warnings from the Government to me to not peruse any public discussion of my Drone Experience. A real attention getter for sure. Just thought i would share this with everyone in light of this persons report.

                                                                                                                                    Ted
                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                             
: Re: Historical Reports & Citations from Books
: ominoustruth August 15, 2011, 02:39:11 PM
This report is copied from Earth Files dot com:

6)  Subject: RE: Oltissis and Alta
Date: July 9, 2011
To: Linda Moulton Howe <earthfiles@earthfiles.com>

Thank you, Linda, for the fascinating Oltissis report. Wonder if there is any link to Alta of ancient Atlantis?

Btw, I also saw one of these drones back in 1994 which led to me being harassed. I actually didn't know anything about drones at the time. I only saw this strange, spiky UFO while driving down Midlothian Turnpike in Richmond, Virginia, with a friend.

I was a young, freelance writer at the time, so I thought I would write a newspaper article on the UFO. I naively contacted the Richmond Times-Dispatch to speak with the writer of another UFO story (there had been several UFOs spotted in nearby Goochland County at that time), and when I told them that I wanted to talk to someone about the UFO story they had run, they immediately patched me through to an "official" of some sort, who began grilling me about the UFO that I had seen. I told him that I wasn't interested in speaking about the UFO I saw; I only wanted to speak with the guy who wrote the original story about the Goochland UFO. But the official-guy ignored my request and continued grilling me about the spiky UFO (â??was it as big as my thumbnail at armâ??s length, etc.â?), which weirded me out to the point where I finally hung up on him. The next morning black helicopters began buzzing my house just above the treetops.
Hi Douglas, Thanks for posting this. The "Buzzing Helicopters" this person reports reminds me of an incident that happened to me in the summer of 2010. I was cutting grass in my front yard on a beautiful summer morning. I had just stopped the mower to add fuel when i heard a loud roar off in the distance. I turned to see what it could be and in an instant over the treetops traveling at an incredible speed was a huge black B1 LANCER bomber. as it came past, it turned on its side and was close enough to the ground that i could see both the pilot and co pilot in the cockpit and make out small details of the entire aircraft. It could not have been any higher than maybe 200ft off the ground when it passed over my head. I could actually feel the jet blast as it passed. I was SHOCKED to say the least. There were and are NO B1 Bombers stationed at any AFB base anywhere in my area. I think it was one of the first and most intimidating warnings from the Government to me to not pursue any public discussion of my Drone Experience. A real attention getter for sure. Just thought i would share this with everyone in light of this persons report.

                                                                                                                                    Ted
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