VonStern Magazine September 2008 Issue:
http://droneacademy.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=Drones&action=display&num=1220655964
The Large Hadron Collider
The CERN machine will prove nothing. It's a total waste of time and money.
The celestial authors of the Urantia Book state that even at the Universal Father's [God] residence on the Isle of Paradise there are NO records of the beginning of all creation, which was thousands of billions of years ago.
DOUGLAS
Be aware that they are working on a much bigger machine. The ILC (International Linear Collider) which will be a straight line collider with a beam from each end meeting in the middle. It is proposed to be 31 miles in length. This machine will take the LHC findings and put them to use!
It is good to see a forum where a person's ideas are truly welcomed for discussion and knowledge.
L E V I A T H A N
Be aware that they are working on a much bigger machine. The ILC (International Linear Collider) which will be a straight line collider with a beam from each end meeting in the middle. It is proposed to be 31 miles in length. This machine will take the LHC findings and put them to use!
It is good to see a forum where a person's ideas are truly welcomed for discussion and knowledge.
L E V I A T H A N
You could't be more right. A debate is a place where differencies of opinion comes forward. Otherwise it would be argumenting. Mudslinging does not help the positive outcome of a debate.
If I have an opinion that differs from others, I present it in a non offensive way, and if I have hit a nerve somewhere, hopefully there will be a response.
I'm quite sure Douglas wouldn't throw mud at me for stating my belief, if I present it, we're just as good buddies as ever (I hope! ;D). I just might have a different opinion that the one he has. The difference is, that I respect Douglas in his belief.
Some out there should stop and think a bit before slinging mud towards anyone, it just might be a much wider forum would pay attention if one's opinion is presented in a more positive way.
In addition to that, some new things has developed worldwise, at least at SETI:
http://droneacademy.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=LIFE&action=display&num=1222421871
And in the Cropcircle department:
http://droneacademy.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=CRP&action=display&num=1222423497
Now, if you wish to share your thoughts regarding some of this, I'm sure it'll be welcomed both here at the DRT and of course at
http://droneacademy.conforums.com/index.cgi?board=DISC
Have a nice weekend, sceptics, believers and fencesitters.
EVS
What surprises me, is why no one here is asking themselves the most core question? Why are we here? Why do we see these "Drones"? And why is it now? So many questions...and no answers.
Much like the technology in these crafts themselves, the device capable of remotely hijacking a vehicle's clacking comes from a non-human source too. Why we were given this technology has never been clear to me, but it's responsible for a lot. Our having access to this kind of device, along with our occasionally haphazard experimentation on them, has lead to everything from cloaking malfunctions like this to full-blown crashes. I can assure you that most (and in my opinion all) incidents of UFO crashes or that kind of thing had more to do with our meddling with extremely powerful technology at an inopportune time than it did mechanical failure on their part. Trust me, those things don't fail unless something even more powerful than them makes them fail (intentionally or not).
Trust me, those things don't fail unless something even more powerful than them makes them fail (intentionally or not).
Good to have you back EVS2 :)
Hi EVS2 ,
just impossible to register : an error is occuring each time I try to ...
Tks to tell if you are under " maintenance " ?
Cheers !
Please tell me if a dream story goes here or some other format. thanks.Salem
The release of my theory "The Shadow Universe" will probably astound You, as I am going to present a full explanation of how we might "survive" our own death, as it seems that we're beings of light (electromagnetic waves) from the day we are born to this physical world. And remain as an "image" in 3D when we depart the excact same.
Hocus-Pocus? No, science provides an answer!
To be released in the spring 2009.
EVS
If Aliens Exist,They May Come to Get Us, Stephen Hawking Says
"If intelligent alien life forms do exist out in the vastness of the space, they might not be the friendly cosmic neighbors the people of Earth are looking for, famed British scientist Stephen Hawking says in a new television series chronicling his work to explore the secrets of the universe."
So you could use universal shapes, Katana, Geometric shapes or alien letters or whatever you want. The symbols may be meaningless to us if they are icons representing programs.
Just a thought.
What if the characters themselves don't matter and the symbols simply are icons for functions.
For example if you wrote a command on my skin I would understand it and be able to execute it.That may be exactly what is happening as Isaac stated:
What if the characters themselves don't matter and the symbols simply are icons for functions.
Ah yes, In programming, that would be named a "subroutine call". Give a name (or icon) to a complex function and just use that simple name in the future.
So more thoughts:
Just as the symbols may be a representation of something deeper, also the spacing between them may have some meaning. As Isaac said in an email to Linda (http://droneteam.com/history/isaac/): "Since the geometry of the forms is extremely important, ..."
Like a sentence, our words form a sequence of ideas, one word adding to the last. A similar mathematical representation might be:
result = a + b + c +d + ...
Isaac claims about the alien language "As each new feature was added, the complexity of the diagram exponentially grew to unmanageable proportions", so that representation might be something like:
result = (a * b) (c * d) * ...
If the symbols are like subroutines calls, then the positional relationships might be like the parameters to the subroutine. For example; one symbol might describe the "entire human genome" but it's placement near another symbol might represent the time-line in history of that genome!For example if you wrote a command on my skin I would understand it and be able to execute it.That may be exactly what is happening as Isaac stated:
"Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state."
Also, interestingly, the PACL artifacts A2 and A3 have identical weights despite being different lengths. the Q4-86 report page 7 suggests that the pieces "are more internally complex, somehow containing information that describes their position and orientation in relation to A1 ...", just like your writing on skin example!
If there are little computers behind that skin, it makes us wonder what powers them, especially since current laptop computers cannot even last a day using a battery. What happens when the components of the computer are reduced to nano-technology sizes? The power source may come from heat differentials or radio waves ... "in the presence of a very specific type of field". We currently call powerless devices "passive", but if nano computing could eventually eliminate the need for external power supplies, then devices like A2 and A3 may actually appear to be magic when in fact they would just be a lower power computer harnessing radio waves as energy just like a solar cell uses the Sun.
Interesting observations. Yes!! Exactly!! Speaking from my experience, no human traits such as personality or emotion. But the ability to interact on the human level for communication only. I liken it to "MR. SPOCK" on steroids!!! Very stern, commanding, intimidating, cold and unfeeling. Not something you could be friends with or would want to!!What if the characters themselves don't matter and the symbols simply are icons for functions.
Ah yes, In programming, that would be named a "subroutine call". Give a name (or icon) to a complex function and just use that simple name in the future.
So more thoughts:
Just as the symbols may be a representation of something deeper, also the spacing between them may have some meaning. As Isaac said in an email to Linda (http://droneteam.com/history/isaac/): "Since the geometry of the forms is extremely important, ..."
Like a sentence, our words form a sequence of ideas, one word adding to the last. A similar mathematical representation might be:
result = a + b + c +d + ...
Isaac claims about the alien language "As each new feature was added, the complexity of the diagram exponentially grew to unmanageable proportions", so that representation might be something like:
result = (a * b) (c * d) * ...
If the symbols are like subroutines calls, then the positional relationships might be like the parameters to the subroutine. For example; one symbol might describe the "entire human genome" but it's placement near another symbol might represent the time-line in history of that genome!For example if you wrote a command on my skin I would understand it and be able to execute it.That may be exactly what is happening as Isaac stated:
"Most of the internal "matter" in their crafts (usually everything but the outermost housing) is actually this substrate and can contribute to computation at any time and in any state."
Also, interestingly, the PACL artifacts A2 and A3 have identical weights despite being different lengths. the Q4-86 report page 7 suggests that the pieces "are more internally complex, somehow containing information that describes their position and orientation in relation to A1 ...", just like your writing on skin example!
If there are little computers behind that skin, it makes us wonder what powers them, especially since current laptop computers cannot even last a day using a battery. What happens when the components of the computer are reduced to nano-technology sizes? The power source may come from heat differentials or radio waves ... "in the presence of a very specific type of field". We currently call powerless devices "passive", but if nano computing could eventually eliminate the need for external power supplies, then devices like A2 and A3 may actually appear to be magic when in fact they would just be a lower power computer harnessing radio waves as energy just like a solar cell uses the Sun.
Exactly! The Drone craft is like a living being except it is made of exotic materials and not flesh like a human body is. These exotic materials have the ability to 'think and act', much like we do but in a different way.
Isaac relates in cryptic language that the PACL/CARET scientists were looking at a mechanism that was possibly thousands of years more advanced than anything we have on earth. They were like a caveman looking at a Boeing 747 jet plane or worse.
We can do some of these things now but in a very primitive way. Tracking labels on packages use this technology to sort and warehouse materials. Special electro sensitive inks and printing can be activated in an electrical field to instruct machines to act in specific ways.
All of this technology originally has come from alien artifacts. But at this time we are just taking little baby steps to apply it in commercial ways.
Some of this info has been posted here on DRT in 2008. We've discussed this before.
Yes, the shape of the alien letter and the material of the letter on the outside of the craft communicates instructions to something inside the substrate. I suspect that scientists still do not understand how this happens because the materials used in the construction of the Drone is beyond our capabilities at this time. But that is just a guess on my part.
All things function by their shape in relation to something else. This is universal, so is nothing new. My fascination grew from the original shape of the drones and this is what led me to create one. another suggestion to be taken as you will, the inventory photo is IMHO the most important part of all of this.
IMO, the only really creative element to arise from the Drone flap was the music video made by Salad Fingers aka Kris Avery.I'll admit that I really liked both the original tune and video that was later made for it. Viewing that now, I don't think any newcomer would have realized it was created by one of the loudest claimants of how the entire case is a hoax, and that anyone who believed one bit of the story was an ass following a CARROT on a stick. It reminds me a bit of the fierce atheist attacks on religion, deserved or not.
http://youtu.be/ctsuw0o3jTY (http://youtu.be/ctsuw0o3jTY)
IMO, the only really creative element to arise from the Drone flap was the music video made by Salad Fingers aka Kris Avery.I'll admit that I really liked both the original tune and video that was later made for it. Viewing that now, I don't think any newcomer would have realized it was created by one of the loudest claimants of how the entire case is a hoax, and that anyone who believed one bit of the story was an ass following a CARROT on a stick. It reminds me a bit of the fierce atheist attacks on religion, deserved or not.
http://youtu.be/ctsuw0o3jTY (http://youtu.be/ctsuw0o3jTY)
Watching the video now without the baggage of arguments in 2007, it appears to me as one of the best pro-drone advertisements ever! Who would have imagined it was born from the need to prove that a human could recreate those original photos with a computer?
IMO
Hi Ted,I can see how the CRUSH system might be linked to the Drone discussion. It seems quite possible that this system could be a precursor to the use of the Drone Craft as the ultimate "BIG BROTHER" devices. Perhaps this in conjunction with the Drone Craft is something still in it's infancy. It is also interesting as of this week, many retailers including Walmart and others are going ahead with the use of RFID tags in Jeans and Underwear that they sell. These RFID tags will provide the location of the wearer supposedly for marketing research only. All this in conjunction with my sighting and interaction with the Drone Craft make me suspicious that the purpose of all this, be it Alien or Human technology or a combination of these two, is for the control and surveillance of our race. Is this some evil plan of an Alien Society? Or The agenda of some Human Organizations or Governments to control our destiny. I have pondered this possibility since my experience in 2007 and am sure something is afoot here. The Forum Name i chose, "Ominoustruth", is my way of expressing my feelings about this whole subject including the Drone Craft.Things are adding up, but where are they heading?, and what can we do to get to the TRUTH before it is too late to react? Did Issac know much more than just what he divulged about the Drones themselves? Were all these Flights from 2007 and earlier tests of a system not yet completed and put into place? And who all is REALLY involved in this project? I want ANSWERS!!!!!! Thanks for the info and "CRUSH" link.
this may give you an idea of where monitoring systems are heading:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/25/police-software-crime-prediction (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/25/police-software-crime-prediction)
I have read of similar crime prediction software which monitors in real time individual behaviour and looks for potential threats.
Watching the video now without the baggage of arguments in 2007, it appears to me as one of the best pro-drone advertisements ever! Who would have imagined it was born from the need to prove that a human could recreate those original photos with a computer?
IMO
Isn't that Ted's voice that DroneOnline has stolen?
Funny, I do play Guitar and Drums in a Band but i don't recall signing with the Village Idiot Record Label !!!! Not bad music but needs more Guitar!!!!Isn't that Ted's voice that DroneOnline has stolen?
Yes, without permission that probably could have easily been obtained, the voices of Ted, Shirley and Linda where used, then stamped in the video credits "Special thanks Linda Moulton Howe" . Maybe that's all it takes these days to copy other peoples efforts. As I recall, Linda wasn't too pleased.
Hi Ted,I can see how the CRUSH system might be linked to the Drone discussion. It seems quite possible that this system could be a precursor to the use of the Drone Craft ...
this may give you an idea of where monitoring systems are heading:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/25/police-software-crime-prediction (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/25/police-software-crime-prediction)
I have read of similar crime prediction software which monitors in real time individual behaviour and looks for potential threats.
Fascinating! This certainly would account for the feeling of FEAR i experienced and my decision not to take any offensive action against the craft. Wasn't something similar to this used in Vietnam in the 60's and 70's to discourage the NVA and Viet Cong from atacking U.S. forward bases? Seems similar only i believe they used very large loudspeakers and Amplifiers and they actually could cause death if turned up to full volume. Thanks for the info and the Link.Hi Ted,I can see how the CRUSH system might be linked to the Drone discussion. It seems quite possible that this system could be a precursor to the use of the Drone Craft ...
this may give you an idea of where monitoring systems are heading:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/25/police-software-crime-prediction (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jul/25/police-software-crime-prediction)
I have read of similar crime prediction software which monitors in real time individual behaviour and looks for potential threats.
If your story is to be believed I am simply pointing out that modern software can be used to predict human behaviour. If an advanced device has been monitoring human development over the centuries, it would likely possess a significant record of human traits such as aggression and inquisitiveness, emotional responses such as fear and so on from which to assess your likely actions and plot a course of action.
Maybe the drone sent you an inaudible acoustic warning something akin to this new technology:
Long-Range Audio Device (L-RAD) and Magnetic Acoustic Device (MAD) are pieces of equipment that many ships are now starting to deploy. Classified as a 'non lethal' weapon they create a beam of sound that can travel far further than sound from a normal loud speaker.
Vahan Simidian CEO of HPV Technologies, who developed MAD, explained how it all worked.
"We create our sound through what we call a plane sound source of information, which means a message can be heard a long way away.
"If the captain had concerns about a vessel, they would activate siren mode on the MAD. That will definitely get their attention. You would then tell them that you know that they are there, and that they do not have the element of surprise.
"Should they keep on closing, the captain would commence evasive actions and switch on 'tone' - this is a piercing sound that will irritate and disorientate them," he said.
Currently they are used to communicate to a potential attacker that the ship knows they are there, but experts say that on full power it could knock someone off their feet.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7735685.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7735685.stm)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weapon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonic_weapon)
http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/Einstein-Antigravity.pdf (http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/Einstein-Antigravity.pdf)Tim Ventura always does a nice job of summing up the anti-gravity scene.
The builds on that is what we now see as NASA is struggeling to reach for planets, and scientists struggeling to achieve a higher understanding. Sure, it will prevail, if the notes are kept open for any scientist to research,
Extra dimensions, how interesting. Still studying some of the Drones I see. A clue: the Big Basin Drone and the Inventory photo. Now at UFOCB, the topic has been successfully killed.
All this discussion has prompted to think back to my experience in 2007. In retrospect it has caused me to remember a small detail that had escaped me until now. As the craft was passing the tree, the tail, (or paddle portion), may have brushed a limb of the tree causing movement. It is hard to say as it was dark and there had been a slight breeze on that morning, but at the time of the sighting, it was dead calm. If indeed the craft did cause this slight movement of the tree limb, then it must have had substance in this dimension and that in my mind would also rule out the possibility of a holographic or projected image. I am dumbfounded that i have not thought of this until now since this is or could be a most important fact in my experience !!! I still cannot rule out the wind as a cause, but now that i reflect on it and this discussion, it gives me cause to rethink this. Just wanted to post this while it was fresh in my mind. More food for thought !!! TedExtra dimensions, how interesting. Still studying some of the Drones I see. A clue: the Big Basin Drone and the Inventory photo. Now at UFOCB, the topic has been successfully killed.
I think there is still much to study and uncover.
The inventory (http://droneteam.com/history/isaac/pacl-q385-inventory-review-fullsize.jpg) and CARET (http://droneteam.com/history/isaac/) photos imply something is stationary in "our" dimension. Only the eye-witnesses reports of disappearing and strange movement offers clues of other dimensions.
Discovery requires careful analysis of all reported phenomenon. If such dimensions exist, maybe they have been observed and misinterpreted at some points through our history.
As the craft was passing the tree, the tail, (or paddle portion), may have brushed a limb of the tree causing movement.
Another civilization that can come here by any means will be vastly more advanced than us and will probably share few of our conceptions or rules.
Communication has always been available, but I suggest they have a serious agenda. I do not confine them to our perceived environment. I do say their methods are beyond our present science to copy, but we may be fed that that we can see as possibilities. Their communication is IMO based upon who receives it and is geared or focused on the receiver.
Be seeing you in time.
L E V I A T H A N
In my case no one has ever asked me what prompted me to design a drone and submit it to LMH.
Communication has always been available, but I suggest they have a serious agenda. I do not confine them to our perceived environment. I do say their methods are beyond our present science to copy, but we may be fed that that we can see as possibilities. Their communication is IMO based upon who receives it and is geared or focused on the receiver.
Be seeing you in time.
L E V I A T H A N
So you admit that the drone saga is an image presented to us all, to test our progress as humans? Or am I interpretating this message wrong?
EVS
I would suggest that the entire UFO phenomena is this. A measure of us for some reason. In my case no one has ever asked me what prompted me to design a drone and submit it to LMH. They decide it was for malicious reasons and I will let it stand at that. They should look more closely at the time frame of the submitted images of all the different Drones.Lev, I would like to ask you one direct question. Have you been a witness of a Drone Craft sighting at any time? I ask this question after reading your many posts and viewing your artwork and images. I tend to think there is more there than just a vivid imagination and the desire to perpetrate a hoax. There seems to be some underlying purpose or meaning to your pursuit of this subject. Having been through the experience of a sighting i find myself at times trying to rationalize and describe my event with difficulty in expressing all the details and emotional feelings that the sighting left me with. You seem to have a very VESTED interest in all this greater than dispelling this as a hoax, media hype, or lies. I would appreciate a candid and honest answer.
Be seenin you in time.
L E V I A T H A N
I don't see what my story being told now would accomplish ... For the mean time I will keep my story to myself.
To my knowledge I have never had an encounter or communication with any "alien". I have never seen a Drone, but when I saw the first picture of a so called Drone I felt very much that it was a familiar image for some reason. I did feel driven to produce a copy and submit it somewhere. The first image was submitted to C2C with no response, next to LMH. Since all this began I have created many, many different Drones and have IMO improved my skills at doing so. I can only say I have no conscious reason for my part in the Drone saga except being obsessed by it and feeling that it was very important to keep it going.
L E V I A T H A N
To my knowledge I have never had an encounter or communication with any "alien". I have never seen a Drone, but when I saw the first picture of a so called Drone I felt very much that it was a familiar image for some reason. I did feel driven to produce a copy and submit it somewhere. The first image was submitted to C2C with no response, next to LMH. Since all this began I have created many, many different Drones and have IMO improved my skills at doing so. I can only say I have no conscious reason for my part in the Drone saga except being obsessed by it and feeling that it was very important to keep it going.You say that the image of the Drone Craft seemed very "Familiar" to you. Could you elaborate on that? Was it a mental image of just the shape and form? Or was it like a Photo like the Chad images with other images such as trees and buildings associated with the craft?
L E V I A T H A N
Never regarded this as a hobby, but something I needed to do, something to be defensive about, something that had truth in it. A day will come when the Drones are seen again by then things may be very different.Thanks for the open and honest comment., I too have that "Something i needed to do, something to be defensive about, something that had truth in it" feeling and that is my reason for asking these questions of you. It seems you have been given information and insight from some source that you may not even have been aware of. Very interesting and intriguing.
L E V I A T H A N
Douglas, i completely agree. Also i believe when all this is finally revealed, it will be in the blink of an eye. Like water from a waterfall, it will all come in one big torrent and the whole saga will be solved. Until that time, patience, perseverance, continuing investigation and open discussion are vital to understanding what will be revealed to all of us who continue to follow this great mystery. I for one will continue to follow this, no matter where this leads, if only for my own peace of mind about my experiences. And i hope everyone will continue to keep this issue alive, even in the absence of any recent developments because there will be a conclusion to this Drone Craft phenomena.To my knowledge I have never had an encounter or communication with any "alien". I have never seen a Drone, but when I saw the first picture of a so called Drone I felt very much that it was a familiar image for some reason. I did feel driven to produce a copy and submit it somewhere. The first image was submitted to C2C with no response, next to LMH. Since all this began I have created many, many different Drones and have IMO improved my skills at doing so. I can only say I have no conscious reason for my part in the Drone saga except being obsessed by it and feeling that it was very important to keep it going.
L E V I A T H A N
The Drone saga will continue when one suddenly appears, someone sees it and hopefully takes a photo.
Other scenarios could be that LMH will release some more hi-res photos or that we will again hear from the elusive Isaac. The other possibilities are endless.
As far as CGI models go....everyone needs a hobby. Nothing wrong with that but they should be clearly identified as CGI. Faux reports do not add anything to a serious investigation of aerial phenomena other than entertainment.
I can not say that I have received any extra information about the Drones. When I saw the first image of the Drones, I was intrigued and fascinated by the design. The image looked very familiar, but no scene was involved, just the image. The Big Basin Drone is either a true masterpiece or the real thing. Its incorporation of the LAP is truly startling. I have examined this craft closely and it is incredible. The shadow issues are spurious at best. The only excuse for my involvement and the "character" I played is the desire to keep the saga alive for what reasons I am not sure.Thanks, LEV. I believe that we humans have Hearts and Brains for more than biological body function. They also have the power to lead us to what we seek.
L E V I A T H A N
Correct Ted, IMO. The Drone is a very solid and a real material object. The thing that mystifies people is that it appears to fade from view. Then it moves and reappears. This is gives the viewer a skipping and rather disjointed visual impression.
The strange umbrella structure on top is the device that causes the Drone craft to disappear to our eyes because it interferes with how visual light is received onto the retina of the eye. This is because something or someone is turning it on and off.
The Drone is not moving in and out of Time or this earth dimension.
I would suspect we have the Inventory photo because a government somehow took down a Drone.
Drones...very real and solid.
Douglas
This whole Drone saga would have been just another of many UFO sightings over the past decades if it had not been for Issac. Issac elevated these sightings onto a plain that has not existed before. His letters, documents and obvious desire to explain it, is history in the making. Too bad that a lot of websites and various individuals with agendas gave him the brush-off.
All of this is what prompted me to research the sightings of wheels and "doughnut" shaped UFOs over the past several hundred years. Much to my astonishment, I discovered that Drones, as they are now called, are nothing new.
Douglas................
I can not say that I have received any extra information about the Drones. When I saw the first image of the Drones, I was intrigued and fascinated by the design. The image looked very familiar, but no scene was involved, just the image. The Big Basin Drone is either a true masterpiece or the real thing. Its incorporation of the LAP is truly startling. I have examined this craft closely and it is incredible. The shadow issues are spurious at best. The only excuse for my involvement and the "character" I played is the desire to keep the saga alive for what reasons I am not sure.
L E V I A T H A N
EVS says:
January 26, 2011 at 2:12 am
If time is an extra dimension, it allows more dimensionsâ?¦only if time is a wave, it has to have directionâ?¦and it has. We as humans knows time as a fact that weâ??re born with, and follows as we live our lives. If time is a direction, it has to follow the cosmic rules. And it does. All matter decay. Meaning that all matter follow the rules of time. If time should ever change, matter will change accordingly. How this unfolds are still a mystery, and if time is a constant, we can presume the birth and the end of the
Universe. If time is local, we are experiencing time locally. Which again means that we are underlaid the Earth time, as long as we exist here on this Earth. Time/matter is inadhesively combined, as long as the local time is inherited as linear structure. If time isnâ??t a constant, we might not exist, at least not in this dimension, as time in this dimension needs to be a constant. To assimilate other time frequenzies, we have yet to learn, otherwise we are Earth bound in our dimension.
Chew a bit on this.
EVS
The Urantia book talks about Time:Quite interesting. "Paradise, the absolute center of all space Creation" Much as the Greek paradise of Xanadu and Teds Reference to the paradise of Oltissis ??? Something in it......
Time and space are inseparable only in the time-space creations, the seven superuniverses. Nontemporal space (space without time) theoretically exists, but the only truly nontemporal place is Paradise area [QuoteParadise in the absolute center of all space-creation where Time almost stands still]. Nonspatial time (time without space) exists in mind of the Paradise level of function.
During our time-space careers, there are many areas ripe for exploration. Perhaps time is the concept most closely related to personal experience. For example, in Paper 12 of the Urantia Book, we are presented with the "three levels of time cognizance."
1. Mind-perceived time consciousness of sequence, motion, and a sense of duration.
2. Spirit-perceived time insight into motion Godward and the awareness of the motion of ascent to levels of increasing divinity.
3. Personality creates a unique time sense out of insight into Reality plus a consciousness of presence and an awareness of duration.
There are seven different conceptions of space as it is conditioned by time.
If you were on Paradise and saw a TV view of earth, Time would appear to be going extremely fast.
Oh, pardon me EVS, but a question as I am a newcomer here...
When you refer to the "hangar photo" which particular drone photo are you referring to?
I just want to be sure I am on the same page as you all.
Thank you,
~P
Hi Douglas
What you describe from the book of Urantia, is different ways of perception of time. Very good, thanks!
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If we assume the Drones appears through dimensional ways, they sure can be "trapped" as what
happened when we see the "Hangar photo". My guess is, that the drone on the hangar photo was brought
down by accident, using military equipment, maybe it was "catched" when using weaponry utilities, and it
happend to interact with the Drone equipment. That could answer why the debries are in the hangar. The
photo might be earlier of origin, as many controversive (and secretive) experiments was conducted during
WW2, or it could relate to ditto during the cold war. It never has been discussed in a larger scale, it just
might be the answer to why the "hangar photo" seems so real. Just a few moments later it became
"National secret".
Well, this is as good an explanation as any, if any of you have any other explanation, feel free to let us all know!
EVS
Oh, pardon me EVS, but a question as I am a newcomer here...
When you refer to the "hangar photo" which particular drone photo are you referring to?
I just want to be sure I am on the same page as you all.
Thank you,
~P
No trouble at all ;) and welcome to the DRT Forum! This is the "Hangar photo":
http://droneteam.com/history/isaac/pacl-q385-inventory-review-fullsize.jpg (http://droneteam.com/history/isaac/pacl-q385-inventory-review-fullsize.jpg)
1.) Has anyone determined the size of the hanger debris?The sizes of the drone parts, including the tarmac pieces, are examined in the following thread:
2.) Is there any writing (alien or otherwise) visible on the disassembled alien craft pieces?I do not recall any investigation of examining the tarmac pieces for writing, but there is possibly one symbol on the tarmac pieces in comparison to some of the other CARET case writing:
3.) Other than that chap Isaac's word and explanation, is there any other solid references to these photographed pieces being particularly alien in origin or could they be possibly be man-made?Well, there is really nothing solid that the photos are real. I mean no one has produced a hard chunk of physical piece matching any of the photos. So far we can only go by the witness testimony of seeing these things in action and try to find a parallel to any man-made phenomenon that is similar.
Quote3.) Other than that chap Isaac's word and explanation, is there any other solid references to these photographed pieces being particularly alien in origin or could they be possibly be man-made?Well, there is really nothing solid that the photos are real. I mean no one has produced a hard chunk of physical piece matching any of the photos. So far we can only go by the witness testimony of seeing these things in action and try to find a parallel to any man-made phenomenon that is similar.
If you have any comments, I'll appreciate it very much. Thanks,
EVS
I believe the LESSON we should learn from the 1947 Roswell incident is that if YOU have witnessed anything in regards to Unknown Flying Objects or any other Unknown Phenomena, is to come forward with your story. No mater what the THREAT. How many documented cases of any physical harm to a Witness or their Family or Friends do we know of as a result of a Witness coming forward and relating the truth of an encounter? I think that since the time of Roswell, WE as a People have Grown Up and realized the full truth of the "Government's Game". Threat and Intimidation simply won't work anymore. The search for an answer is too great to be muzzled and the time for the TRUTH is NOW!!!!! Drones, UFO's, USO's, Alien Contact, and any other Unknown Mysteries that seem to defy explanation. If ALL the Witnesses of the Roswell Incident had spoken up in 1947, we might have an answer to this mystery or at least be a whole lot closer to resolving this issue.If you have any comments, I'll appreciate it very much. Thanks,
EVS
Hi EVS,
I don't always have the same conceptual understanding as yourself regarding 'that which is' - our universe. But I do enjoy your occasional video presentations. I thought you might find this interesting:
Read the abstract / introduction and you'll get an idea...
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1101/1101.2565v1.pdf (http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1101/1101.2565v1.pdf)
I believe the LESSON we should learn from the 1947 Roswell incident is that if YOU have witnessed anything in regards to Unknown Flying Objects or any other Unknown Phenomena, is to come forward with your story. No mater what the THREAT. How many documented cases of any physical harm to a Witness or their Family or Friends do we know of as a result of a Witness coming forward and relating the truth of an encounter? I think that since the time of Roswell, WE as a People have Grown Up and realized the full truth of the "Government's Game". Threat and Intimidation simply won't work anymore. The search for an answer is too great to be muzzled and the time for the TRUTH is NOW!!!!! Drones, UFO's, USO's, Alien Contact, and any other Unknown Mysteries that seem to defy explanation. If ALL the Witnesses of the Roswell Incident had spoken up in 1947, we might have an answer to this mystery or at least be a whole lot closer to resolving this issue.Very well said LJTL!
Thanks OTF, and thanks EVS for the enlightening videos on Roswell. It seems ironic that as a people are willing to give our lives for our Nations without Reservation in defense of those nations with bravery that defies description. But when it comes to the possible defense of all Mankind and Our Planet WE are afraid to come forward if WE witness a Strange Craft or have Contact with an Alien Being for fear of being ostracized, harmed, or threatened by OUR own Governments or Secret Agencies for whom WE have served, protected and defended sometimes at the ultimate expense of our lives.I believe the LESSON we should learn from the 1947 Roswell incident is that if YOU have witnessed anything in regards to Unknown Flying Objects or any other Unknown Phenomena, is to come forward with your story. No mater what the THREAT. How many documented cases of any physical harm to a Witness or their Family or Friends do we know of as a result of a Witness coming forward and relating the truth of an encounter? I think that since the time of Roswell, WE as a People have Grown Up and realized the full truth of the "Government's Game". Threat and Intimidation simply won't work anymore. The search for an answer is too great to be muzzled and the time for the TRUTH is NOW!!!!! Drones, UFO's, USO's, Alien Contact, and any other Unknown Mysteries that seem to defy explanation. If ALL the Witnesses of the Roswell Incident had spoken up in 1947, we might have an answer to this mystery or at least be a whole lot closer to resolving this issue.Very well said LJTL!
Were they scared into silence with the threat of being treasonous to their country? Or were they shut up with threats to their life?
Care should always be taken, but intimidation should not result in retreat.
I just cannot agree that any government or military group should have sole access to such non-human secrets, as much as I try to think of reasons why it should be kept secret, nothing makes sense.
Thanks OTF, and thanks EVS for the enlightening videos on Roswell. It seems ironic that as a people are willing to give our lives for our Nations without Reservation in defense of those nations with bravery that defies description. But when it comes to the possible defense of all Mankind and Our Planet WE are afraid to come forward if WE witness a Strange Craft or have Contact with an Alien Being for fear of being ostracized, harmed, or threatened by OUR own Governments or Secret Agencies for whom WE have served, protected and defended sometimes at the ultimate expense of our lives.I believe the LESSON we should learn from the 1947 Roswell incident is that if YOU have witnessed anything in regards to Unknown Flying Objects or any other Unknown Phenomena, is to come forward with your story. No mater what the THREAT. How many documented cases of any physical harm to a Witness or their Family or Friends do we know of as a result of a Witness coming forward and relating the truth of an encounter? I think that since the time of Roswell, WE as a People have Grown Up and realized the full truth of the "Government's Game". Threat and Intimidation simply won't work anymore. The search for an answer is too great to be muzzled and the time for the TRUTH is NOW!!!!! Drones, UFO's, USO's, Alien Contact, and any other Unknown Mysteries that seem to defy explanation. If ALL the Witnesses of the Roswell Incident had spoken up in 1947, we might have an answer to this mystery or at least be a whole lot closer to resolving this issue.Very well said LJTL!
Were they scared into silence with the threat of being treasonous to their country? Or were they shut up with threats to their life?
Care should always be taken, but intimidation should not result in retreat.
I just cannot agree that any government or military group should have sole access to such non-human secrets, as much as I try to think of reasons why it should be kept secret, nothing makes sense.
May 5, 2011 -By Alan Henry
CERN Researchers Capture Antimatter, Trap It for a Quarter Hour
Scientists at the Antihydrogen Laser Physics Apparatus (ALPHA,) a branch of CERN (the European Organization for Nuclear Research,) have managed to trap atoms of antihydrogen in a magnetic trap for 1000 seconds, or 10,000 times longer than any antimatter particle has been trapped before.
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2384954,00.asp (http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2384954,00.asp)
and more here:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20438-fleeting-antimatter-trapped-for-a-quarter-of-an-hour.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20438-fleeting-antimatter-trapped-for-a-quarter-of-an-hour.html)
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128241.700-beyond-spacetime-welcome-to-phase-space.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21128241.700-beyond-spacetime-welcome-to-phase-space.html)
Beyond space-time: Welcome to phase space
A theory of reality beyond Einstein's universe is taking shape â??
EVS
Very interesting, EVS. Thanks for posting that. My thoughts are that reality is actually something very similar. I don't really think we can ever get close to the truth until we let go of all that Einstein dogma. That in my opinion, is holding science back.
Neutrinos travels faster than light?:
http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2011/PR19.11E.html (http://press.web.cern.ch/press/PressReleases/Releases2011/PR19.11E.html)
thanks for posting it EVS :)
this theory takes care of the fact that our universe is not made of 3-dimensional things but of 4-dimensional events
thanks for posting it EVS :)
this theory takes care of the fact that our universe is not made of 3-dimensional things but of 4-dimensional events
I'm sure there's more here than we are able to fathom as of today's common knowledge.
Someday we will read this and say, "I told you so" ;D
Believe me, we are (at least Us who are still interested in our progressive human evolvement that this
giant "hint" that this Drone Case is) on the right track here. :D
I no longer see this "Drone Case" as an elaborate hoax, but as a hint to Us all, to think "out of the box" and
to really consider whom of which we are going to believe, be it scientists or the press, we sure have
to make up our own mind about this!
EVS
EVS, with that brain scanning machine, I think they are totally on the wrong track and won't come back... why? Ok.. look at something.. Close your eyes and then rub your eyes with them closed gently, the image you will see in your "minds eye" is exactly what you were looking at and matches exactly their videos. This is not reading someone's mind, it is reading someone's retina.. It is identical to what you see when you rub your eyes closed. So.. I dunno about their whole premise, but it is a far cry away from reading someone's mind in my mind.. :)
I'm not sure EVS if anything that I said is any different from what you described. They are sensing some activity in the brain, the same as we see when we look at something but then close our eyes, and by rubbing the outside of our eyes for me at least it helped to clarify in my mind what my eyes had just seen. So how is this different?
After reading this article a few weeks ago, I was thinking about it for awhile which is the reason I posted a reply to it after you posted it. I've thought about it and I think it is another layer of research that just speculates and poses itself in a way that continues to get funding .. but they are not necessarily onto "reading peoples minds".
For instance.. Here's how I rationalise my assessment of what I've read about it. Think of a penguin.. and an ice cube. With your eyes wide open. You don't have to "picture" a penguin in your mind. You know what one looks like. And an ice cube. How big is that ice cube? Could the Penguin stand on it? Like is it the size of a box or smaller than the foot of the penguin.. At some stage you might visualise the penguin and ice cube in your mind, where they may be able to sense it, but up to that point, there is a part of the brain where activity takes place that hold your thoughts and thinking way beyond the scope of you trying to visualise it. Just my opinion. I personally take a lot of this "research" with a big grain of scepticism.
And try to visualise a big grain of scepticism... :) That helps make my point !
Just for your information, I've today opened up a new forum, and I hope
all of you here will register. I hope we all this way still can keep our acquaintances
as I find this group of ours to be a very special, yet small corner of the 'Net.
I hope to see all of you here:
http://evs4u.conforums.com (http://evs4u.conforums.com)
You are welcome to join, and this sure doesn't mean that you have to leave the DRT forum,
I'll be here too....but if anything like what happened to the OMF should occur here, we sure should have a place to
meet after that...
EVS
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THE BLOG WARNING HAS BEEN REMOVED, OTHERS ARE STILL IN FORCE.
L E V I A T H A N
| Hydrogen wavefunction visualization http://www.micalex.com/Definitions/Hydrogen-Wave-Function-Probabilty-Density.htm (http://www.micalex.com/Definitions/Hydrogen-Wave-Function-Probabilty-Density.htm) (http://www.micalex.com/Definitions/Hydrogen-Wave-Function-Probability-Density-Plots.jpg) | Compared to these CARET reported symbols: (http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/onthefence55/particle_symbols.jpg) |
Leviathan, they are afraid of you, you present the opposite thinking...hence the attack on your blog!I stand for a truth that is not of necessity ours, but instead theirs. The average "UFO site" is not for truth but for ego and a small income, It has no useful reason to exist and will bring nothing new to the table. These site consist of types fun to play with and maneuver, the truth would be death to their reality and personal paradigm. They are far from the truth and destined to stay there. The humor they have is easily pushed into ridicule and they fall father. This is very good and benefits those who really need to know. Preparation requires knowledge and the preparation I refer to will be a useful tool in what is to come. If any are afraid of images, then surely they would be fearful of the real view and well they should. The Higgs has been found before and never lost by some.
Please see this as an open inquiry to what you stand for
QuoteLeviathan, they are afraid of you, you present the opposite thinking...hence the attack on your blog!I stand for a truth that is not of necessity ours, but instead theirs. The average "UFO site" is not for truth but for ego and a small income, It has no useful reason to exist and will bring nothing new to the table. These site consist of types fun to play with and maneuver, the truth would be death to their reality and personal paradigm. They are far from the truth and destined to stay there. The humor they have is easily pushed into ridicule and they fall father. This is very good and benefits those who really need to know. Preparation requires knowledge and the preparation I refer to will be a useful tool in what is to come. If any are afraid of images, then surely they would be fearful of the real view and well they should. The Higgs has been found before and never lost by some.
Please see this as an open inquiry to what you stand for
L E V I A T H A N
But I don't see how these representations prove anything except that they could be representations?
But the character set positions in the LAP are also set as operators similiar to a programming language called Brainf*ck.Your friend's suggestion uses only eight language commands (which was chosen for minimal compiler size) compared to the LAP which uses about 54. Maybe by the standards of Extraterrestrials, 54 is minimal ;)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck)
http://tinyurl.com/4f6mt (http://tinyurl.com/4f6mt)
This was suggested to me by someone, I'm not all that familiar with programming languages :)
Maybe your friend can elaborate on his suggestion.
Ted passed me this link from a recent Coast to Coast AM show that you may be interested in listening to:
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/07/16 (http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2012/07/16)
Higgs Boson & Ancient Texts/ Inverted Spirituality
In the first half, authority on the teachings of ancient mystics, Peter Canova, talked about how the recent detection of the previously theoretical Higgs Boson particle bears similarity to how thousands of years ago, mystics described creation and the origin of matter. Physicists, he noted, suggest that as particles pass through the invisible 'Higgs Field' they slow down and acquire mass, which parallels the ancient Greeks' notion of the ether, a penetrating non-material field that filled the universe.
Coast To Coast AM - Higgs Boson & Ancient Texts/Inverted Spirituality - 07-16-2012 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn9xs-qgxbE#)
And what has this to do with the Drones, you might ask...it sure has if the density of computational source is compressed into actual processing matter, it certainly make sense! Please post your ideas here...
And what has this to do with the Drones, you might ask...it sure has if the density of computational source is compressed into actual processing matter, it certainly make sense! Please post your ideas here...
Thanks for that fantastic encompassing view of densities.
I can see that if matter was a little more intelligently compiled, rather than simple squishing, we might be able to construct very dense 3D computational structures.
The method of Vacuum deposition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_deposition) is one way to control the addition of atoms to material. If there was a way to quickly and easily control atoms layered on to a 2D plate, then vacuum deposition could be used to create a 3D computer circuit by multiple 2D layers.
There is no way a UFO event can ever be proved.
There is no way a UFO event can ever be proved.
Some of us on this Forum are trying to do exactly that. If you have FACTS showing we'll never succeed please tell us, without your usual mumbo-jumbo, and save us a lot of effort.
algae
Incidents like this sure tells us that not all that is given to us, newspapers and other media is not to be be trusted...but when there's a fire...you know..
No one on this planet knows if life has propagated elsewhere, that is my opinion..still being of sound scientific mind and being. Please say this isn't real. I challenge all naysayers to come forward with a better explanation.
Sorry for the lenght/size of this post, just needed to share,
EVS
Incidents like this sure tells us that not all that is given to us, newspapers and other media is not to be be trusted...but when there's a fire...you know..
No one on this planet knows if life has developed elsewhere, that is my opinion..still being of sound scientific mind and being. Please say this isn't real. I challenge all naysayers to come forward with a better explanation.
Sorry for the lenght/size of this post, just needed to share,
EVS
Thanks EVS for your interesting essay and philosophy.
The Internet is a great place to study most all subjects. The Internet is like water. It can be poison or pure.
This I know. We all saw the Ty photos of the Drone. Then we saw the Issac Inventory photos. With Issac we discover that the government knows a lot about the Drones. With my Historical Research I discovered that "Drones" go way back in history...many hundreds of years, if not thousands of years. Drones are evidently not new. We also now discover that Drones are hidden from our eyes by their 'cloaking' technology..[the birdcage].
The Drones are here...they're not going away. We were all very lucky to be able to see them in our lifetime. All of this was due to cell phone cameras and Issac coming forward with his XEROXed CARET documents. Linda Howe also played a big part in this historic saga.
The summer of 2007 was a great time for all of us. Wouldn't all of you agree? A lot came together at one time to make it all happen.
It's quiet in here because we think about the case, sometimes evaluation of things take time..in this particular case this might extend as neither the pro or con has won! So we take "ad notam" that the case is "standing". What more can I say, if no news comes forward, this case is "unsolved". Period.I have no information on those teasing photos. I hope he posts them somewhere but you never know what will actually happen.
EVS
It's quiet in here because we think about the case, sometimes evaluation of things take time..in this particular case this might extend as neither the pro or con has won! So we take "ad notam" that the case is "standing". What more can I say, if no news comes forward, this case is "unsolved". Period.I have no information on those teasing photos. I hope he posts them somewhere but you never know what will actually happen.
EVS
The case of the Drones is solved 90% as far as I'm concerned. They're here, they've been here a long, long time. The Drones are purposely cloaked so that we little humans are not aware of them.
There could be one right over my house and I would never know it. The space voyagers have been keeping an eye on Earth for a long time. To them we're just like zoo animals.
They're keeping a close watch especially on EVS..... :o ;D
After watcing this you might ask if this is true..it might not be...just showing how reliable scientists can be manipulated into a belief that is distorting the real science..see the manipulation..this is what happened to the "California drones", as perception is individual...so any attempt to say it isn't true, is questionable...so come forward if you find this wrong..
Real quantum physics say that much of this is real....that's why I posted this. but can you really tell right from wrong?
EVS
After watcing this you might ask if this is true..it might not be...just showing how reliable scientists can be manipulated into a belief that is distorting the real science..see the manipulation..this is what happened to the "California drones", as perception is individual...so any attempt to say it isn't true, is questionable...so come forward if you find this wrong..
Real quantum physics say that much of this is real....that's why I posted this. but can you really tell right from wrong?
EVS
I read the comment above was written and signed by "EVS". How do I know who really signed it? "EVS" could easily be a fake person. :o :-\ :P
Finding the 'God' particle could destroy the universe, warns Stephen Hawking
The Higgs boson 'God particle' could destroy the universe, Hawking says
Space and time could suddenly collapse - and 'we would not see it coming'
If scientists put too much energy in the Higgs boson the universe could end
Disaster very unlikely as physicists do not have large enough collider
Source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746727/Maybe-shouldn-t-looking-quite-hard-God-particle-destroy-universe-warns-Stephen-Hawking.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746727/Maybe-shouldn-t-looking-quite-hard-God-particle-destroy-universe-warns-Stephen-Hawking.html)
/EVS
Finding the 'God' particle could destroy the universe, warns Stephen Hawking
The Higgs boson 'God particle' could destroy the universe, Hawking says
Space and time could suddenly collapse - and 'we would not see it coming'
If scientists put too much energy in the Higgs boson the universe could end
Disaster very unlikely as physicists do not have large enough collider
Source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746727/Maybe-shouldn-t-looking-quite-hard-God-particle-destroy-universe-warns-Stephen-Hawking.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2746727/Maybe-shouldn-t-looking-quite-hard-God-particle-destroy-universe-warns-Stephen-Hawking.html)
/EVS
There is great danger when you try to deconstruct an atom...at least certain ones for sure.
If you do manage to do this, you release a torrent of deadly radiation, heat and light. This is not good and it will kill you...especially if you're close to it.
We have ample evidence of this at Hiroshima and elsewhere.
When God puts atoms together, He expects them to stay in one piece.
Boyd Bushman | Deathbed Disclosure: Documentary & Photo Enhancements - HD 1080p
Shortly before Boyd Bushman passed away on August 7, 2014, he was video recorded candidly speaking about his personal experiences with Area 51, UFOs, aliens and anti-gravity ideas.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPfuZUEbhfc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPfuZUEbhfc#ws)
/EVS
I found Mr. Bushman very interesting. As well as the video but then the pictures of the Alien that his friends in the know sent him turned out to be pictures of an alien prop that was sold. This was definitive.
So now I'm conflicted he obviously was a very smart man but also did not double check the evidence sent him and seemed to gullible.
Confused.