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Title: Leviathan
Post by: leviathan on July 21, 2008, 09:56:03 PM
(http://ovnis-usa.com/images/Leviathan6.jpg)
Thank you
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: leviathan on July 22, 2008, 03:02:36 AM
(http://ovnis-usa.com/images/Leviathan6_Fake.jpg)
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: leviathan on July 23, 2008, 04:18:21 AM
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff230/ter123abc/ScreenHunter2007563.jpg)
No, we are not a rock band.  We are the inheritors of your world and we just don't believe you will like us.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: HPO on July 23, 2008, 09:08:24 PM
Nice one Lev  :),...one question though, did you use a displacement map on the eyes? and why. No critics just curious.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: leviathan on July 23, 2008, 10:01:32 PM
Yes, I used a bump map.  I once saw, somewhere, a picture of an "alien" with these watery uneven eyes.  They stayed with me and so here they are.  Kind of creepy!!!  BTW, I do not believe the aliens, if any, are overcome with love for humans.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: leviathan on July 28, 2008, 01:37:51 AM
(http://ovnis-usa.com/images/leviathan66_no_group.jpg)
We are not alone and they are not alone.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: onthefence on July 28, 2008, 06:35:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cu4RafcYncY  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xac1_AVqZJo
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: HPO on July 28, 2008, 09:11:57 PM
Very nice Leviathan  :),...and some interesting models !
I also like the render with the light tube above, nice lighting.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: leviathan on July 28, 2008, 11:03:37 PM
I think we had best explain our two videos.  The Gothic one was a response to being called Devil worshipers at another forum.  It does have some rather dark prophecies and does show our belief that this phenomena is part of an ancient and much bigger phenomena.  This was our second video on this subject.  Our first was in response to being called teens which, thank God, we are not.  It is more light hearted and we used the theme from the movie version of "Lost in Space"
"It does not compute Will Robinson".
IC
PS: So we are neither teens or Devil Worshipers, sorry if any are disappointed.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: HPO on July 28, 2008, 11:17:27 PM

PS: So we are neither teens or Devil Worshipers, sorry if any are disappointed.

 :D,...not me.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on July 29, 2008, 01:46:42 AM
@ Lev & Co
but cookie monsters all the same  ;)
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: Endzone on July 29, 2008, 02:13:08 AM
I finally have come to understand where you are coming from Lev. I see the light side of this series of events and where they are leading, and you see the dark side of where these events are leading for some here on earth. In the end some must be removed as they are detrimental to the light and cannot be tolerated in a new world of love and light. The darkness is thus used as a tool to clean house so to speak and is allowed to do so by the light.
 
 The light side of this all that I see, is for those who have been chosen, those who have awakened and evolved. They will be spared and returned to a pristine existance here on earth as our prophecies have stated. I guess the wierdest thing for me was realizing our prophecies have always been only involved in the light side of things. Go figure, guess it's because we had seen so much oppression in the past.
 
My mind opens to the truth daily, and I can say I truly feel for those who will not join us on that day of celebration. And the worst part is all they have to do is open there eyes, hearts, and minds to the truth and the light to be saved. Sorry it took me so long to understand your point of view lev, that was my little bit of darkness left in me hiding this truth from me. 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: leviathan on July 29, 2008, 02:39:23 AM
Correct you are.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: leviathan on August 09, 2008, 04:17:13 PM
(http://ovnis-usa.com/images/Leviathan_anotherDrone_720.jpg)
In the absurdity of false argument, the BEAUTY of the Drone design is dismissed.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: leviathan on August 27, 2008, 05:03:45 AM
(http://ovnis-usa.com/images/Leviathan_anotherFake.jpg)

Some act as if producing a newly designed Drone is a new and original thought.  It is not.  Above are a few of the new drone designs and concepts we have produced over the past year.  As we produced these models we learned the difficulties involved in doing so and a healthy respect for the Drone designer alien or human.  We learned what would be the best methods to use in producing a hoax.  So you, see this is not a new idea and we did it without seeking publicity or adding our real name and copyright to any.  Why, because we here are really interested in pursuing this phenomena and not publicity.  We have many more and much we learned.  So remember this is not a new concept coming from some other forum, but one far along.  Imagination and talent does not come from claiming an established concept and executed idea as one's own.  Some seem to do that usually with an entourage of followers primed to go.
L E V I A T H A N
PS: Prompted to, my foot.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: Endzone on August 28, 2008, 02:47:41 AM
5 people is no entourage that's for certain, just a little tiny group of people as dedicated to their point of view as we are. They just choose negativity more than couth or tact as a baseline attitude to carry with them throughout any investigation. Then they act offended when they receive the same treatment they dish out.  ;)  They resort to thinly veiled insults like deriding someones heritage or faith and make light of it in a way to get the message across without actually stating it. But once again when faced with a response of the same kind of treatment of others they dish out, they respond like a bride who just found out her new groom slept with her best friend before the wedding.  :D :D :D
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: leviathan on September 13, 2008, 02:08:20 AM
(http://ovnis-usa.com/images/Leviathan_SwissArmyKnife_Drone.jpg)
This is a Drone design in progress based on the Big Basin Drone, but with imagination added.  We are presenting this step by step process at our blog.  The Drone is rendered in VUE 6 and built in Cinema 4D.  If you want to see more, visit us.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: Nemo492 on March 19, 2009, 05:08:50 AM
(http://ovnis-usa.com/images/Leviathan_Vue6.jpg)
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on July 05, 2011, 05:09:46 PM
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n530/Indred2/WheelinaWheel.jpg)
This is a model of a single Drone duplicated and placed around the perimeter of a central docking craft.  Speculation, yes, but in some ways this particular illustration reminded me of Ezekiel's Wheel within a Wheel.  The religious aspects of these devices, if real, has seldom been approached.  At other sites this is not worth the effort to broach, but here it should be a legitimate and possibly useful exploit. GBUFOCBTG.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: onthefence on July 05, 2011, 09:23:33 PM
Very interesting, and inspiring interpretation of the Wheels within wheels!

I would like to read discussions on religion as they relate to this case. Elsewhere, I have recently been blamed for being part of a cult by participating here. Feel free to start a new thread on the topic, it will surely have many readers.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on July 05, 2011, 11:09:28 PM
I would have to say we were just banned from an authentic cult, one that has its tentacles in many many so-called UFO sites.  The proof is the name of one of the moderators, this one  being found everywhere spreading the same agenda.  He says in one site that he is an atheist.  We have no problem in that but in proclaiming his belief or disbelief in certain topics he never mentioned this point as casting any bias on what was being discussed as a religious topic. Be that aside, it is easy to see some of the Angels and Demons described in the JV and other religious works as non-biological.  possibly mechanical of a type we can scarcely conceive.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on July 06, 2011, 03:03:44 AM
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n530/Indred2/Drone123.jpg)
The Drones continue
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on July 26, 2011, 03:03:03 AM
(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz103/icarus99_photo/ScreenHunter_07Jul242218-1.jpg)
Two old monuments who have been here a long time and I guarantee they will be here for a very long time to come.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on July 27, 2011, 02:16:57 PM
(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz103/icarus99_photo/ScreenHunter_06Jul270906.jpg)
Having fun with a Drone.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on September 16, 2011, 03:24:50 AM
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Just don't invite veggies and make sure there is an ample supply of blood for Lev.

Sys, I prefer ribs and steak, thought you were the fish fan..

Sidd can bring the sausages, I'll bring Guiness.. I guess..

The junk there seems to have putrified even more and you have some really deserving new members.  Remember I am still just behind you and still participating with you there.
Karen, be seeing you in time.
L  E  V  I  A  T  H  A  N
PS: sidd might be more at home bringing the BASF.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on September 16, 2011, 10:21:41 AM
Hope so Lev, you have always fascinated me.

And while you seem to let idle banter upset you, I don't really think that a man of your talent takes it nearly as seriously as you pretend. 

(I would post the song "Getting to know you" by Julie Andrews, but I've maxed out maybe with Louie Louie x 5.   Cheers !
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on September 16, 2011, 10:32:09 AM
I mean let's be frank... Your picture "Evil Old House"..  Now that is really special outside of your normal work which is so special in its atmosphere and detail and the images created..  Ok.. there is a lot more to you than you "pretend" in talent, training and experience.   It just shows up in your art.  So yes, you are quite a fascinating person to many I'm sure not just me.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on September 16, 2011, 03:34:02 PM
The image "An Evil Old House" was based on the book "The Haunting of Hill House" by Shirley Jackson.  Also on the 1963 movie " The Haunting" directed by Robert Wise.  When I lived in New England, I experienced a similar house and had some acquaintance with Ms Jackson.  The story is not total fiction.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on September 16, 2011, 04:20:14 PM
I read that book ages ago.  I love the movie as well.  In the book, I'll always remember this scary section when Eleanor looks across the room at Theodora who has turned on the light and then asks herself.. "Whose hand was I holding?" after all the pounding stops coming from within the walls..  Because she was so intensely holding Theordora's hand (she thought) during that part of the haunting.

I really want to visit grand old haunted houses while here in the UK. 
And where in New England was this one, was it as large and looming as the place you created in your art?

Here are images for the Book.  Nothing can compare to yours however except for one in being equally stricking and scary.  And its a photograph maybe..   Yours is totally original and really good. 

http://bit.ly/p8uEZs (http://bit.ly/p8uEZs)

The House that is featured in the photograph is here in the UK:

http://bit.ly/nRKUzi (http://bit.ly/nRKUzi)
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on September 16, 2011, 04:49:03 PM
Here is an interesting article from numerous angles:

http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/09/the-dark-side-of-the-placebo-effect-when-intense-belief-kills/245065/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/09/the-dark-side-of-the-placebo-effect-when-intense-belief-kills/245065/)

I remember a few times when I had an experience like this, could feel the bed being pressed on by something nearby (would think an animal or very soft person) but nobody was there but all I ever felt nearby was total love not terror coming from whatever.  Strange eh?  And I love horror stories, maybe its because of how we believe about things that affects what we imagine it can do?  :)
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: majicbar on September 17, 2011, 09:49:12 PM
Here is an interesting article from numerous angles:

http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/09/the-dark-side-of-the-placebo-effect-when-intense-belief-kills/245065/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/09/the-dark-side-of-the-placebo-effect-when-intense-belief-kills/245065/)

I remember a few times when I had an experience like this, could feel the bed being pressed on by something nearby (would think an animal or very soft person) but nobody was there but all I ever felt nearby was total love not terror coming from whatever.  Strange eh?  And I love horror stories, maybe its because of how we believe about things that affects what we imagine it can do?  :)

I had an Aunt who was spooked because her cat came back after passing, and she said you could see the comforter respond as it's ghost walked toward her.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: EVS on September 18, 2011, 12:18:51 AM
Here is an interesting article from numerous angles:

http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/09/the-dark-side-of-the-placebo-effect-when-intense-belief-kills/245065/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/life/archive/2011/09/the-dark-side-of-the-placebo-effect-when-intense-belief-kills/245065/)

I remember a few times when I had an experience like this, could feel the bed being pressed on by something nearby (would think an animal or very soft person) but nobody was there but all I ever felt nearby was total love not terror coming from whatever.  Strange eh?  And I love horror stories, maybe its because of how we believe about things that affects what we imagine it can do?  :)

I specifically like this entry:

"The truth is that we don't understand the relationship between belief and biology quite as well as we'd like to think. That's one reason sleep paralysis is so useful as a probe for the boundary of mind and body. The night-mare is "a link between our biological and cultural selves." While people of all cultures experience sleep paralysis in similar ways, the specific form and intensity it takes varies by culture, soaking up whatever local spirits or monsters happen to be lurking nearby."

It sure brings the term "mind over matter" to a new level.

Which again brings us to new questions...

Why is it, that the Western population fears old buildings? It must be because it's in our culture...

If we are scared of seeing or being inside an old, worn down mansion, and feel that it inhabits ghosts
of it's former owners etc. it must be because we somehow have learnt it by our cultural background, or
simply by our upbringing.

Sure, to the logical mind, old brig walls and wood all is man made, carpenters and masons can vouch
for that...there should be no question about how these houses are created.

Yet, for some strange reason, many of us feel the strange feeling of "being watched" when we visit an
old house, and if it's a bit worn out, the more we tend to let the "chill" run down through our spine..  ???

Why is that? Sure, in broad daylight we have no problem, but when the night falls, then we are on our toes!

Some of this is our ancestry or instinct beliefs that tells us to be more alert when night falls, so that no viscious
predator can compromise our safety.

Other mechanisms also stands for the things we seem to be more scared of in the night, and one of these is the lack of vision.

Then there is the most natural cause for why we are scared, and that is the psycological aspect. Most of us remember
the horrible bedtime stories that was told/read to us...and from that rememberance we build a subconsciousness that
we live with through our entire lives. Sometimes, we think we saw something, and then there was nothing...who can
say they never experienced this?

Yet, some things happen....be it in a "Haunted House" as LEVIATHAN so beautifully have painted, and why only
some people are affected by this is still a riddle to be solved as of today.

I have had some experiences myself in my teens, where it was solid evidence that it happened, seen by more people
than myself, unfortunately cellphones with camera was not around at the time.

So, the conclusion have to be, those who think all of these experiences are made up by our own mind, may partially
be right, and those who say they believe in ghosts, apparitions and the like, may also be partially right.

Two rights don't make a wrong, in this case.  As I see it, it's all a part of human nature to be suspicious of what
our senses provides our mind and brain with, and not either and not all is wrong, it's both true, in a sense.

Something to consider, I hope this makes sense to at least someone out there,

EVS
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on September 23, 2011, 12:46:17 AM
Lev, looking at your blog I started to appreciate the picture you have there called "Two Balls".  I would love to see a larger image of that.   The whole work is so good in many ways.  What was your inspiration for that one, if any?  It's really a great piece, a collectable for sure..  Must be ppl who collect your work.  I suppose I'm imagining that image should be created on a real canvas though.  It reminds me of Dali's work a bit too.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on September 24, 2011, 05:36:48 PM
The house that inspired me was, I believe, near Lenox, MA.  It was one of many in New England built by robber barons.  The house was incredible in size and was abandoned for some reason.  Shirley Jackson lived in New England and some of the aspects of her book were based on fact and legend.  She certainly was surrounded by what could easily be considered "Evil Old Houses".  The idea that an eccentric builds a house that takes on a personality is not at all difficult to believe of these houses.  The excess of wealth that was and is present in New England is something that most do not understand.  These people are of a class that is not understood by Americans who have not experienced it.  A type of evil is present in many stones that comprise the mansions and do, in ways, exert their influence upon the populace.

I am aware of the house in England used in the 1963 movie.  I believe it is now a Hotel.

As to the "Two Balls", I usually allow this type to evolve on its own through the many CG programs used.

I can tell you that genuine evil leaves a genuine residue that can be experienced.  This residue can intensify and become very powerful.  If one is sensitive, then New England is a place where many things roam at will.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on September 25, 2011, 01:50:12 PM
I haven't been to Chicago for years but back around 1990 there was a very old riverboat attached permanently to the large pier as a restaurant or a place to rent for parties.   Well... I went to a party on this vessel because friends of mine had rented it for their annual company party after the convention we were attending.  Well... This huge old riverboat had a life of its own.. just like the movie the Shining almost.. (without the blood or murders as far as we could tell).

None of us knew it was like this either, it didn't have a reputation that anyone had heard about..  We just got giddy and drunk and adventurous enough that we decided that a group of us would explore the whole vessel.  And it was very large, had a huge engine room that took up rooms, had lots of other rooms that were locked we were able to find access into.  And when we did...
It was just like stepping back in time.  We found a way to get into this old ice-cream fountain room, that was fantastic, it was just like stepping back in time after WW2, nothing had changed, all the orig equipment was in there.. But here's what was spooky..  Through-out the ship were these funny gizmos that ppl used to use to communicate with each other in different areas of the ship.  Kinda like an intercom system, and they were like tubes you listen to and talk into.. And when we listened in different rooms we heard old fashioned music and talk as if people were still enjoying the ship but years ago.

Nowhere in this ship was another party or band (esp playing that kind of music.. ) but you could hear all thse ppl talking and this kind of old time sounds when you listened that night from various rooms we were able to naughtily break into :) ..
The people from this company that threw the party lived in Maine that I was with and they were pretty close physically to Stephen King's location as well and they took this in much more stride than I did..
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on September 25, 2011, 02:05:59 PM
Wow.. about the house in MA that inspired you.. What a house ! 

That two balls is something that would be fantastic on canvas.. IMO
Sad sometimes that images are only in bits these days, almost doesn't do enough credit to the image itself like that one, should be a painting.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on September 26, 2011, 02:41:09 AM
Venus and Golden Orb would make a great glass sculpture. 
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 03, 2011, 02:43:13 PM
"You mean whales?"
"I mean Leviathan, man. That fish, if fish it be, that is to your whale, what your whale is to your meanest guppy.  Don't ask me what Leviathan is, I haven't even gotten close enough to tell you his shape.  There is only one of him, her or it, in all the world that's water.  I don't know how it reproduces, maybe it doesn't have to reproduce, maybe it's immortal.  It maybe neither plant nor animal, for all I know, but it's alive and it's the biggest living thing there is...."

I just want to thank Lev and Virgil and everyone who tagged into this drone thing for without your breadcrumbs I would never know about things like this :) 

Do you recognise these lines from a particular book Lev? 
Thanks to "you all" I'm reading it.  Brilliant.  Illuminating  :D
Hail Discordia !
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on October 03, 2011, 09:37:48 PM
Ha, Ha, Ha.  immanentize the eschaton.  Don't waste so much time on my art, there may be a story there.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 03, 2011, 09:45:15 PM
I knew it .. I knew it... damit I knew it ... This thing is deep  ;D
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on October 03, 2011, 10:46:19 PM
The tentacles of this OCTOPUS cling here and there and maybe just next door.  To think that only machinery with grinding wheels and puffing jets and saucer shaped projections are involved is not to be aware.  The agenda is old, old, old and stands behind all phenomena and yet it is just behind your door.  "For those who walk there walk alone",Shirley Jackson.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 03, 2011, 11:49:26 PM
 "Nothing is true everything is permitted"

funny how William Burroughs keeps showing up  ;D
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on October 04, 2011, 02:06:28 AM
"2001 a Space Odessy"
"Eyes Wide Shut"
Goodby Stanley
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 04, 2011, 09:43:48 AM
When I'm finished with the trilogy, I'm sure I'll have more questions other than who is Goodby Stanley....
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on October 04, 2011, 02:40:53 PM
Kubrick
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 04, 2011, 03:56:10 PM
And he used a lot of symbolism in the Shining ?   That's what a lot of people believe anyway ..

edit to add: After this much of the trilogy I'm reluctant to commit my beliefs to anything.. without personal bias ;)  But isn't that part of it?

Lol@ raw video where he says, "If there was JUST one group running everything, the world would make a little more sense.."
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 05, 2011, 11:00:09 AM
More and more, I'm getting convinced that the whole drone saga is part of a "transhumanism" movement. 

There are just so many indicators of this.  For instance, I'm watching the ending of "Everything is Under Control", part 2, and the person interviewing  R.A.W. throws out a promotion to a website called:  www.cruzio.com/~blackops (http://www.cruzio.com/~blackops) (which doesn't exist anymore as this is an old video) and the page gets redirected to:  http://www.cruzio.com/ (http://www.cruzio.com/) .
Now this is right in Santa Cruz !   And it is a website concerning Santa Cruz activities.

I know that this would normally be of no significance.. but I keep thinking...
Here is everything that fits... Fits into place.  Isaac could be real or not.. but this whole saga is built on Transhumanism, that is my theory now..

And from what I took in from Virgil's old website before he launched IA:
http://www.futurehi.net/media.html (http://www.futurehi.net/media.html)

I listened to these lectures there. 
Houston Smith
Marilyn Ferguson

There is a serious wide movement behind transhumanism.  I wouldn't doubt even that some of it is helping to instigate and finance these occupations and movements behind anonymous.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 05, 2011, 11:18:25 AM
Or maybe I'm wrong and everything regarding this saga just happens to leave breadcrumbs that are "transhumanistic" in nature once you start following them.  That is what is in common here and by following this you also learn to apply discretion and think independently..

Well, even if it wasn't planned it's working..   Hail Discordia  ;D

edit to add:

Oh Good Grief !  This just came my way..
Lev .. this is like being in the Illuminatus trilogy!

Anonymous-The-Bankers-Are-The-Problem

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1vpEcebYBg#ws (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1vpEcebYBg#ws)

Clicking on the link above brings up a video that sounds like there is a confrontation happening similiar to that in the trilogy!

Any takes on this you might have Lev?  It's just that these roots too seem to be coming from transhumanism and these words seem so similiar to what I've been reading by raw and others.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on October 06, 2011, 03:11:00 AM
The Trilogy is the Reality.  Hiding in the open is best. The skeptical fool will always help in the furthering of the agenda.  Long live UFOCB, it took a lot of work to make them what they are.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 08, 2011, 01:21:22 AM
The Trilogy is the Reality.  Hiding in the open is best. The skeptical fool will always help in the furthering of the agenda.  Long live UFOCB, it took a lot of work to make them what they are.
L E V I A T H A N

LOL... :

http://motherjones.com/mixed-media/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-octopus-vampire-squid (http://motherjones.com/mixed-media/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-octopus-vampire-squid)

definately see this one:

http://vulgararmy.com/ (http://vulgararmy.com/)
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on October 16, 2011, 01:36:53 AM
I recently was posting on the site I am banned from and took a look around.  It has taken a real fall and is even sillier that usual, but my new persona plays along and I now have such a friendly relation ship with the same old F.....  It is still a delight to maneuver the herd.  Where will I head them next.  When you visit there try and find me or at least one of the THREE. LOLAF
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 16, 2011, 08:43:45 PM
Lev, I really wonder about you sometimes...
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: EVS on October 16, 2011, 09:33:58 PM
Lev, I really wonder about you sometimes...

tomi and Lev, if you don't mind me blending in...  ;D

You both seem to want an opponent, as you both seek this...

You might have opposite "agendas" so to speak..

The DRT Forum is not biased enough to provide this to it's fullest..

But I sure may not be the one reminding the both of you, that this forum is read by many people,
which is quite allright, but you really should consider your statements, the both of you, if you
want to avoid conflict!

If it's conflict you want, I suggest you take it to the forums that will provide this! Thank you!

I have no problem about you sharing your views on topics related to this Forum, please do so, but we
sure do not want episodes that occurs on other forums to materialize here! I would be very sad if this
was to happen here!

Cheers to you both,
EVS
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on October 16, 2011, 10:45:21 PM
Yes EVS, I understand your point.  I have made my case here and will confine any other such posts to the L E V I A T H A N BLOG.  I am sure that you realize that there is much still known about the Drones and all concerned with this info will not bring it forth for many reasons.  If you take a quick scan of the internet you will find that the Drone seeds are firmly planted in many places.  This can not be undone by anyone. 

I have recently spoken to the relative of a lady who once saw something in a building that looked very much like an item from the inventory photo.  The lady was know by our group for sometime.  Now in respect for her and her family, I am not comfortable exposing this information on any website.  So you can see the Drones are far from dead.  There are some of us investigating this now and when we have results we will only be able to share them by PM.
Thank you for your corrections,
L E V I A T H A N
PS: EVS, you may wish to read my new post on the L E V I A T H A N Blog to understand my position and the fact that this type of verbiage will be posted at the Blog now so not to incur any trouble here.
 
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: EVS on October 17, 2011, 01:17:10 AM
PS: EVS, you may wish to read my new post on the L E V I A T H A N Blog to understand my position and the fact that this type of verbiage will be posted at the Blog now so not to incur any trouble here.

Yes, I see your message, and I appreciate that you stated it in your blog, as if it was presented here, I'd have had to remove it.

I understand that you have some true angry feelings of the people you are aiming this at, and I know what you are speaking of, but please take this as the common unwillingness to understand what a true "Open Mind" is...you won't find it at those places you look to try and find it! Sometimes "common sense" overwhelms the idea that some things are percieved otherwise in our human mind, and believers of excactly that (common sense) WILL be hard to change...sure you will learn, and you probably already have...

Sure, you and your group have your own agenda, and so have the so-called "nay-sayers"....only, if you provide true evidence of your work, then they have no speak that has meaning...until that, they have to speak for what THEY believe...simple, maybe not the answer you are looking for, but it's the only way your ideas will prevail, the way of convincing oneanother of the presented evidence at hand, be it Drones or any other case! Sure, to this day, no one of Us know the truth, and therefor any opinion counts, no matter how it's presented! Personal attacks, however, do not fall under that category.

Thank you for being so open in your views, I still have some ethical doubts about your statements at your blog, but that is mine to deal with!

EVS
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on October 17, 2011, 01:59:54 AM
I understand, and since we have not lived each others lives it would be hard for us to judge each others motives and ethics.  As for as DRT is concerned I will obey the rules of posting and trust others will too.  My Blog site is certainly not for everyone in content and it is not anger that provokes, it is the necessity that since I am "Working a Work" for it to be implemented and placed the work must be finished.  I knew you could not allow it here so I placed it where it could project just exactly what it is suppose to project.  I am now many places on the web and as a spider I crawl, hide and wait with the thought of ethics placed in reserve for ethical humans.  I think we understand each other now, so no more need be said.
L  E  V  I  A  T  H  A  N
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 17, 2011, 06:51:43 AM
While I may appear to be on an opposite side to Lev, on the surface, that is not the case.  The case is what is important to me.   As well as Lev and others.  Who and what they represent are of particular interest to me.  Sometimes affection at a safe distance ;)  Sometimes bewilderment..  Mostly though, trying to fathom the mindset of Lev when he stoops to make issues about other's amusements.

Sincerely, I wouldn't have said I wonder about him, if I didn't hold him up on a higher pedestal because of his talent and his expanse of literary resources.   I have gained a deeper amount of knowledge from him about many things (probably some best left unknown..and many unknowable anyway, but at least I now know).   ;D
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: EVS on October 17, 2011, 08:33:50 AM
Sincerely, I wouldn't have said I wonder about him, if I didn't hold him up on a higher pedestal because of his talent and his expanse of literary resources. 

Thank you for clearing that up!!  :)

EVS
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 17, 2011, 10:36:46 AM
If nobody else recognises it, I know Lev knows ... where I'm coming from is always a good place.  Except I will never relinguish trying to figure out what else he may know... except the unknowable.. ;)
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on October 17, 2011, 01:41:38 PM
tomi, don't you think I have always shared things with you.  I see you are interested in the fact that our world is much more that a spinning blue ball.  I know that you recognized that the Drones are something very different than the "flying Saucer".  CG or real, I believe that you could understand both and that they could be both at the same time.  I know that their image can play with the human mind and you may learn that.  If you are still in London then you are in one of the centers of world control by the few and the strange.  My focus on the skeptic has caused a change that will continue from the seed planted.  When I lived in England, I did not visit the Salisbury Plain many times for nothing - I learned.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 17, 2011, 03:29:02 PM
Lev, you have shared a few things with me, which I will always regard with respect and appreciation, and RAW doesn't really condemn skepticism does he?  Curious, openminded, yet grounded sufficiently to use discrimination, in order to distill fact from fancy.  Each of us living in our own reality tunnels.
Hail Discordia !   ;D 

I'm with you on your descriptions though of the frameworks, big and small, you have described to me. I think however, my limits are more confined than yours.  Your capabilities far exceed mine in physical resources and mental abilities to explore the depths of these aspects. 
(Probably for the best, I'm a bit of a girl at times :)

My idea of immanentizing the eschaton .. is using twitter..  ;D
But knowing what you know about the drone case is an ambition I think I could handle.. Eyes wide open even maybe... :)
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on October 18, 2011, 03:59:16 AM
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My idea of immanentizing the eschaton .. is using twitter
Include Facebook, cell phones, the internet, and the computer and you are seeing the tip of the iceburg.  WITH THE DRONES as a natural extension of reporting (CG or not).  Now to whom?  The answer is the infamous THEM.  Hagbard Celine up and running.
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Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 18, 2011, 08:10:43 AM
All I can say is .... So Impressed! Thank you! for helping me to learn about it all.

(you really know your RAW.. what a wonderful man who left the world so much with his works, wit and wisdom)

I'm listening to all I can of his talks now.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: The Leviathan on October 18, 2011, 02:03:38 PM
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All I can say is .... So Impressed! Thank you! for helping me to learn about it all.
Tongue in Cheek!  Say its all a fake and the Drones are nothing at all, still RAW would have liked them and believed that they at some level were real.  Their motive power would be that they are only peeping into what we call our dimension.  What ever intelligence behind them would target them for appearance.  And as the BBDrone clearly shows ,or I believe shows, it is old.  If BBD is real and old and worn, then another set of insights arise.  Now that would be a nasty little trek for poor humankind.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 18, 2011, 02:38:10 PM
Tongue in Cheek!  Say its all a fake and the Drones are nothing at all, still RAW would have liked them and believed that they at some level were real. 
When you say "tongue in cheek".. I'm confused by that.. pls explain.
 
How would RAW have approached the drones?  I've been wondering about that.  They came out the same year he passed from us..

He would have taken a great delight in the whole saga, I'm pretty sure.  If he was younger, he might have even tried to figure it out.. or add it into one of his stories maybe.  Since I'm not adept at picking up the deeper symbolism of things, maybe he would see more there than any of us except for you and a few others. 

Artists appreicated the saga, futurists had to have had a part in it if it is contrived in any way.  I think RAW would have suspected that angle too while trying to dig through it.  Would he suspect his usual players .. "Sub-Genius" or something more "Illuminati" or would he have thought like you do.. most likely door open for every possibility.??

Forgive me if I'm misjudging how you think about it.  Just presuming is all.
Title: Re: Leviathan
Post by: tomi on October 18, 2011, 02:43:30 PM
Either time or some acutely precise beyond master artist put a lot of old into the roto rooter as well.  But it would be nearly impossible to create in CGI to such realness .. down to the dirt and grit etc... seen close up.  The mystery lives on ..