Drone Research Team

Drones Research Team - General => Raj/Campbell investigation => : elevenaugust December 18, 2008, 10:15:11 PM

: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 18, 2008, 10:15:11 PM
Hi all!

I see Neki's last post about the relative positions of the pole#15 and #16 on Raj's pictures.
We both worked on this on OMF and I was just wondering if he's still searching for these poles; because I'm about to materialize an old project about this research: create a grid of the whole SF-Palo Alto-Saratoga-Capitola area at the better Google Maps resolution.

I know it's kind of crazy due to the number of quadrant to identify and to look at; but as you surely know it, I can't believe that this pole doesn't exist at all.
Moreover, while lots of people searched for these pole last year, I believe that nobody have done a methodical job, like I intend to do.

Technically, in order to be the more accurate as I can, I proceed like this:
1- I take a general screenshoot of an area with GE at an altitude of 1.39km, with the Lat/Long grid.
2- I point it with a big Blue marker as "Grid 1", "Grid 2" for the next....etc.... and we can also mark each compartment as "A1...B6, etc... like a chessboard

(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1839/examplefx6.png)

3- Each square on Google Maps at the third threshold below the sign "+" is equal (A little more, in fact, but it doesn't matter) to TWO squares on Google Earth; the more difficult task being to properly align Google maps to Google Earth.
4- I check each Google Earth quadrant with Google Maps (also with Streetview if necessary or/and available) then mark the result with a  small color marker:
- Green if there's nothing interesting
- Yellow if more checking is needed
- Orange if it's worth a trip on the spot.
- Red if strong evidence.

- Blue for the number of the general GRID.

Of course, one need to create a master grid of all the grids.

I'll make today some tests and post the results here.

Feel free anybody to check any quadrant you want and post the results here, so I can update the grid.

Here's the Grid n°1, with all the coordinates:
(http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7979/grid1ej0.jpg)
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 18, 2008, 11:38:00 PM
Some first results:

(http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/5828/grid1qa6.jpg)

Lots of green dots! ;D

General situation of Grid n°1 in Capitola area:

(http://img388.imageshack.us/img388/1603/grid1generalviewqh7.png)

It tooks me something like 1 hour to check this. It's also easier to proceed only with Google Earth at first, zoom in and out and check if necessary with Google maps and Street View.
I looked at all the area marked in green very closely.
I see only benefits:
1- We are sure not to miss something
2- We don't have to tell ourselves: "Damn!! Did I already checked this area??" ;D
3- Everyone can help.

I'll proceed firstly by checking again (!) all the Capitola area (Soquel, Aptos, Rio del Mar, etc....), then extend my research to the coast down South and North up to SF.

Any help will be much appreciated. ;)
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 19, 2008, 12:47:21 AM
Update n°2 for the grid n°1.

(http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/9959/grid1update2tf3.png)

Only one yellow dot at 36°58'29.30"N 121°57'32.99"W
I marked it because of its position, partially hide by trees.
But after checked it with Google maps, no match:
- Not good trees
- Not a "flat" lamp
- No power poles like in Raj's picture.

Tomorrow, I'll create Grid n°2 to 5 and finish to check Grid n°1.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 19, 2008, 09:37:40 AM
Here are the grid n°2 to 5:

(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/1451/grid2zu9.png)

(http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/9406/grid3ur4.png)

(http://img386.imageshack.us/img386/2961/grid4sx5.png)

(http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/2968/grid5id3.png)

And the general situation in Raj's area:

(http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/8079/grid1to5generaltw3.png)
: Re: Pole Research Team
: dixonf December 19, 2008, 03:35:10 PM
Those maps are not up to date....In Capitola, the map in my area is at lest 7-years old......Now, I think the key is the street light. That is what I've been looking at. I find an area with those kind of street lights ansd search that location.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 19, 2008, 09:29:30 PM
Those maps are not up to date....In Capitola, the map in my area is at lest 7-years old......Now, I think the key is the street light. That is what I've been looking at. I find an area with those kind of street lights ansd search that location.
Yes Franck, I agree that the key is the street light and that's the first thing I look at when I check with GE or Google Maps.
In my "Grid n°1", I haven't found any lamps like in Raj's photo; they are different, more bulbous, less flat.....

BTW, here's the results for the Grid n°1:
(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7837/finalresultsgrid1vn0.png)

I pointed out 5 interesting locations (Not THE location, of course, but somewhat similar...)
1- 36°58'29.30"N 121°57'32.99"W
Not the good lamp.
2- 36°58'42.55"N 121°57'19.24"W
Street lamp partially hide by trees but no power poles around there and no street view available to check.
3.1 and 3.2- 36°58'35.50"N 121°57'00.00"W
Two interesting street lamps at the crossroad between Bay Ave and Monterey Ave, and with power poles at a turn.... Unfortunately, no street view available here again. I pointed them in orange as they seems to be the most interesting spot for this grid.
Maybe it worst a check on the spot, Franck, what do you think?? (I know the whole area has been checked again and again, but who knows??)
4- 36°58'33.61"N 121°56'55.96"W
Another street pole partially hide by trees, on Park Ave. This Park Ave is very interesting 'cause of the Sequoia trees (like one can see them in PICT018).
Anyway, not a good lamp.
(http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/6081/parkaverg7.png)

The KMZ file: DivShare File - GRID.kmz (http://www.divshare.com/download/6132966-ff6)

Grid n°2 ongoing....
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 19, 2008, 09:45:45 PM
Edit:
Frank, I found with Streetview on Google Maps this construction parking on the 41st Ave.
If I remember correctly, when we were here on May, we saw this construction.
Maybe it could help to define the date of the update??

(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3153/parkingxq9.png)
: Re: Pole Research Team
: 10538 December 19, 2008, 09:57:24 PM
Google Streetview is basically useless.  The most important and probable parts of Capitola (because of street angles) are missing.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 19, 2008, 11:38:34 PM
Yes, however could help to identify Street lamps.

Google Earth is more useful.

If only I could be American, I would spend my week-end looking for poles... :P

 ;D
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 20, 2008, 01:06:07 AM
Here are the results for grid n°2:

(http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/7916/grid2finalls6.png)

and the general view for now:

(http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/3732/generalviewgrid1and2gt4.png)

I will not give anymore the exact coordinates, as they all are on the KMZ File:
DivShare File - GRID2.kmz (http://www.divshare.com/download/6133848-b62)

5, 6, 7 and 8: Interesting view of lamp streets in the 41st Ave., partially hide by trees; however no match since the lamp is bulbous.

(http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/9706/41stavena5.png)

Grid n°3 ongoing....
: Re: Pole Research Team
: onthefence December 20, 2008, 01:18:59 AM
I will not give anymore the exact coordinates, as they all are on the KMZ File:
DivShare File - GRID2.kmz (http://www.divshare.com/download/6133848-b62)

Are you sure that you saved all the points?  I only see one green point in that file.

edit to add: you can also use the drawing tools in Google earth to draw boxes around regions that more closely resemble roadways. See Add->Polygon.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 20, 2008, 10:42:21 AM
I will not give anymore the exact coordinates, as they all are on the KMZ File:
DivShare File - GRID2.kmz (http://www.divshare.com/download/6133848-b62)

Are you sure that you saved all the points?  I only see one green point in that file.

edit to add: you can also use the drawing tools in Google earth to draw boxes around regions that more closely resemble roadways. See Add->Polygon.
??? Yes, I open it myself with this file and it's ok, Numbers did you have the same problem??

EDIT: Ok, I fix it, seems like I only saved temporary files; here's the new link:
DivShare File - GRID2.kmz (http://www.divshare.com/download/6136310-78f)

Thanks for the drawing tools advice, I'll use it to define the grids.

Anyway, here's how I proceed:
- I use the GE grid at an 1.39Km altitude which define squares of approximately 0.6*0.4; each GRID contains 15*21 squares.
- I trace an horizontal line all along the first top grid line with the tool "ruler", then move down a notch.... and so on.
- I zoom into the first two lines to fit my screen (22") and scroll all along this area to check for poles.

(http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/313/example1tb5.png)
: Re: Pole Research Team
: onthefence December 20, 2008, 02:22:19 PM
Nobody here want to take part?? ;D

I can help. Are the green squares the ones that you already searched? Do I have to plant my own flags?
: Re: Pole Research Team
: nekitamo December 20, 2008, 02:56:21 PM
Hi, 11a!

I welcome your initiative, as systematic and distributed search seems like the only way to finally find those poles - or to be reasonably sure where they aren't, at least. I used to click at some random spot in the area now and then and search from there, but without luck so far (and luck is what this method is based on :) ).

Here is something I was toying with in GE after seeing your "search pattern" (GE path shaped the same way):
:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<kml xmlns="http://earth.google.com/kml/2.2">
<Document>
<name>Untitled Path.kml</name>
<Style id="sh_ylw-pushpin">
<IconStyle>
<scale>1.3</scale>
<Icon>
<href>http://maps.google.com/mapfiles/kml/pushpin/ylw-pushpin.png</href>
</Icon>
<hotSpot x="20" y="2" xunits="pixels" yunits="pixels"/>
</IconStyle>
</Style>
<Style id="sn_ylw-pushpin">
<IconStyle>
<scale>1.1</scale>
<Icon>
<href>http://maps.google.com/mapfiles/kml/pushpin/ylw-pushpin.png</href>
</Icon>
<hotSpot x="20" y="2" xunits="pixels" yunits="pixels"/>
</IconStyle>
</Style>
<StyleMap id="msn_ylw-pushpin">
<Pair>
<key>normal</key>
<styleUrl>#sn_ylw-pushpin</styleUrl>
</Pair>
<Pair>
<key>highlight</key>
<styleUrl>#sh_ylw-pushpin</styleUrl>
</Pair>
</StyleMap>
<Placemark>
<name>Untitled Path</name>
<styleUrl>#msn_ylw-pushpin</styleUrl>
<LineString>
<tessellate>1</tessellate>
<coordinates>-122,37,0 -121.975,37,0 -121.975,36.9995,0 -122,36.9995,0 -122,36.999,0 -121.975,36.999,0 -121.975,36.9985,0 -122,36.9985,0 -122,36.998,0 -121.975,36.998,0
</coordinates>
</LineString>
</Placemark>
</Document>
</kml>
Click on "select" above the code, copy-paste it into notepad and save as i.e. search.kml, then open it in GE. I manually created this path by editing this field in notepad and used the nearest round coordinates of 37°N / 122°W as a starting reference point:
<coordinates>-122,37,0 -121.975,37,0 -121.975,36.9995,0 -122,36.9995,0 -122,36.999,0 -121.975,36.999,0 -121.975,36.9985,0 -122,36.9985,0 -122,36.998,0 -121.975,36.998,0
</coordinates>

It is not hard to calculate new coordinates in your head this way at the same time as you type them in notepad, but it would be even easier if we make a simple program to do it. Maybe we could generate such paths for each quadrant of your grid and distribute them among us?

Oh, and another thing - set touring camera options in your GE to lowest and slowest, select this path and press play or select "Play Tour" from the menu. Nice, isn't it? :)
: Re: Pole Research Team
: 10538 December 20, 2008, 05:03:00 PM
Hey Frank,

I identified the main tree in the Ty pics on the left as a "Pacific Madrone". 
It's easy to remember the name.  Ma-drone  :)

BTW,  I saw this posted to ATS.  It reminded me of Ed.  Pretty cool , eh?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XevJR7biQE8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XevJR7biQE8)

This was taken in Fremont, CA.

: Re: Pole Research Team
: 10538 December 20, 2008, 05:18:45 PM
(http://home.comcast.net/~dl1027/files/object/Capitola1.jpg)

If the pole is in Capitola, my suspicion is it is somewhere in this square.  This area is not shown in Google Streetview.  I have drawn the circle to indicate the area I am even more suspicious of.  The street angles seem to me to be consistent with the pics.

: Re: Pole Research Team
: HPO December 20, 2008, 06:43:15 PM
Have you tried http://maps.live.com/ for that area, maps.live does show that area, it does not have the streetview, but it does have the bird's eye view.
With bird's eye view you can look at a place from a close aerial angle, from four different viewpoints.

: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 20, 2008, 08:59:44 PM
Nobody here want to take part?? ;D

I can help. Are the green squares the ones that you already searched? Do I have to plant my own flags?

Yes. And this evening I'll finish the GRID n°3, 4 and 5.
You can try, if you have the time to do so, to begin to check the other grids:

General situation of the grids n°1 to 11:
(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/4789/generalview1to11la2.png)

Grids 6 to 11:
(http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/9338/grid6dl0.png)

(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8058/grid7uw1.png)

(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1594/grid8qs6.png)

(http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2825/grid9ft6.png)

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5620/grid10ca6.png)

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/4869/grid11cc5.png)
: Re: Pole Research Team
: onthefence December 20, 2008, 09:06:59 PM
Have you tried http://maps.live.com/ for that area, maps.live does show that area, it does not have the streetview, but it does have the bird's eye view.
With bird's eye view you can look at a place from a close aerial angle, from four different viewpoints.

It appears to me that the resolution of that site is not quite as good as Google Maps where individual power lines can be seen even without street view. Nevertheless, another source of maps is always a good thing!
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 20, 2008, 09:08:06 PM
Have you tried http://maps.live.com/ for that area, maps.live does show that area, it does not have the streetview, but it does have the bird's eye view.
With bird's eye view you can look at a place from a close aerial angle, from four different viewpoints.
Yes and thanks HPO!! Could surely be useful for checking the interesting poles or the places were streetview is not available.
Look at these  4 aerial views for the pole n°3.2:

(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5599/maps1ta9.png)

(http://img357.imageshack.us/img357/4121/maps2ne4.png)

(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/4295/maps3aw7.png)

(http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5387/maps4ug5.png)

: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 20, 2008, 10:07:52 PM
Hi, 11a!

I welcome your initiative, as systematic and distributed search seems like the only way to finally find those poles - or to be reasonably sure where they aren't, at least. I used to click at some random spot in the area now and then and search from there, but without luck so far (and luck is what this method is based on :) ).
Thanks Neki! Systematic is the key word here. ;)


It is not hard to calculate new coordinates in your head this way at the same time as you type them in notepad, but it would be even easier if we make a simple program to do it. Maybe we could generate such paths for each quadrant of your grid and distribute them among us?
Thanks for the code, very interesting and useful. Do you think you can also create grid lines with a similar code? (As I need to permanently let them visible and I only create them with the "ruler" tool....)
Do you want to try to create such a path for any quadrant of your choice??

Oh, and another thing - set touring camera options in your GE to lowest and slowest, select this path and press play or select "Play Tour" from the menu. Nice, isn't it? :)
Very nice! :D
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 20, 2008, 11:58:33 PM
Results for grids n°3, 4 and 5:

(http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/774/grids3to5resultsdg7.png)

Absolutely nothing interesting in these quadrants.

Will check for now the n°10
: Re: Pole Research Team
: onthefence December 21, 2008, 12:14:06 AM
There is a possibility that the rectangular lamp might be an old/removed lamp. I found this one place where a possible rectangular lamp existed, and it has been removed when the new house was installed. Google Maps has the old image, and maps.live.com has the newly installed house with lamp removed.

(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/onthefence55/174_24thAve.jpg)

This exists in Tonio's grid 11, Twin Lakes area on 174 24th Ave.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 21, 2008, 12:21:47 AM
Good catch, OTF.

Here's the streetview view:

(http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/8811/24thavetq9.png)
: Re: Pole Research Team
: nekitamo December 21, 2008, 03:40:44 AM
I opened a free hosting account and tried some coding using JavaScript and Google Maps API. Here's my test-grid page with fixed start position (it could be made configurable):

http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html)

If you click at the map, you get the nearest street view shown below - way faster then switching in and out of street view in GE. There's some kind of limitation for opening zoom level, but you can zoom in after the page loads.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: HPO December 21, 2008, 11:10:56 AM
I opened a free hosting account and tried some coding using JavaScript and Google Maps API. Here's my test-grid page with fixed start position (it could be made configurable):

http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html)

If you click at the map, you get the nearest street view shown below - way faster then switching in and out of street view in GE. There's some kind of limitation for opening zoom level, but you can zoom in after the page loads.

Wow !!  great stuff Nekitamo
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 21, 2008, 08:52:13 PM
Results for grid n°10:

(http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6701/g10qf7.png)

Absolutely nothing interesting in these quadrants.

Will check for now the n°9
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 21, 2008, 09:02:08 PM
Here's the update for the general view of the grids:

(http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1827/gridupdateil7.png)

I made some tiny changes:
- I pointed out with a big green thumb tack those who are already checked, instead of hundreds little for each quadrant,
- I change the name "Grid" for "G"

I also create the grids for the quadrants n°12 to 22, this extend the research up to Capitola North, Soquel/Aptos and the East of Santa Cruz.

If someone is interested by checking any of those grids, let me know and I will publish a screenshoot of it with the coordinates.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 21, 2008, 09:03:25 PM
Edit to add:

I haven't saw yet any "flat" street lamp.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: onthefence December 21, 2008, 09:06:33 PM
If someone is interested by checking any of those grids, let me know and I will publish a screenshoot of it with the coordinates.

I am slowly working on Grid 11, but I think you should also check it, as everyone will have different abilities. I am also noticing some streets without StreetView on Grid 11.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 21, 2008, 09:15:09 PM
Thanks OTF, take your time!! ;D

It's the hardest part we look at actually; when we will be more on residential areas, the landscape all around is quite different...
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 22, 2008, 12:30:25 AM
Results for the grid n°9

(http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/3967/9resultskj1.png)

- 9 is a very interesting pole, very similar to Raj's pole.

(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5111/9mapsgy4.png)
(http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/4608/56990822sf6.png)
(http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/36/91qp9.png)

However, I have problems to really see this pole at all angles; Streetview shows the sun right behind the pole when facing South....

Things that are similar: Three/Two wires;crossbars....
Things that are differents: Insulators; too many telephone wires; angles wires at the top not correct; street lamps 200 feet away up to North, in Soquel Ave, but again, bulbous lamp, not the American Electric SRX-55 (55W SOX) lantern we expect to see....; trees??

Here's the KZM file , not sure if I record it correctly so let me know if there's any problem.
DivShare File - GRID3.kmz (http://www.divshare.com/download/6148834-9f3)

On a side note, I found another similar pole, but it seems that it has been modified:

(http://img385.imageshack.us/img385/371/poledifferencekq2.png)

Next grid for me: n°18


: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 22, 2008, 11:05:22 PM
Results for grid n°18:

(http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/6047/grid18pq9.png)

Nothing special here. A few poles, but no match so far....

Next grid: n°17
: Re: Pole Research Team
: nekitamo December 22, 2008, 11:49:14 PM
I worked a bit more on my Google Maps + Street View script and now it can be controlled by passing arguments in URL, like this:

http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap1.html?Lat=122.0237&Lon=37.3011&Grid=10&Spacing=0.0005 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap1.html?Lat=122.0237&Lon=37.3011&Grid=10&Spacing=0.0005)

Explanation of parameters:
- Lat/Lon: location of top left corner of the grid (marked with "0"),
- Grid: number of grid squares in each direction (horizontal / vertical = Grid X Grid)
- Spacing: grid step (or density) in degrees, used for both latitude and longitude

The page opens with map centered on square 0,0 using maximum available zoom in satellite view. A click on the map updates streetview in the right pane (if available for selected location) and opens an info blob with precise coordinates which you can save as KML file or open it in Google Earth. Here's a screenshot:

(http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/7932/gmsgtev9.jpg)

The whole idea behind my simple project is to enable someone acting as search coordinator (elevenaugust, for example :) ) to use simple forum links for referral and distribution of search areas, like this:

User1: Square1 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap1.html?Lon=37.30114579258598&Lat=122.023706138134&Grid=10&Spacing=0.0005), Square2... (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap1.html?Lon=37.301156460553415&Lat=122.01870381832123&Grid=10&Spacing=0.0005)
User2: Square3 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap1.html?Lon=37.29606766830544&Lat=122.02370077371597&Grid=10&Spacing=0.0005), etc...

I'm open for suggestions to improve my script, although it seems pretty usable as it is and I'm already using it locally (it also works as locally saved .html file in the browser).

P.S. - it seems that my free hosting is down at the moment...  :(
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 23, 2008, 12:58:25 AM
Wow!!
Really good stuff Neki!
I will probably use it for the Santa Cruz area.

Have you a suggestion for define exactly the 'masters' area to search in?
My ideas was:
1- Santa Cruz/Capitola/Aptos/Soquel area
2- The coast up to north SF
3- The coast down to south Moss Landing
4- Felton/Scotts Valley/Ben Lomond area
5- Los Gatos/Saratoga area
....
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 26, 2008, 01:10:45 PM
Results for grid n°8 and 17:

(http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9640/grid17and8bn8.png)

Nothing special in these two grids.
- No street "flat" lamps
- Power poles with both two and three wires are very rare.
- No streets/poles orientation match.

Next grids: n°7 and 16. n°7 looks promising.
: Part II : Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 26, 2008, 01:36:22 PM
I want to add that I had never took a closer look to Santa Cruz area (grids n°19 to 22 and further), maybe because that was for me a non-sense for Raj saying he was in Capitola while he really was in fact in Santa Cruz.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: nekitamo December 26, 2008, 01:37:33 PM
A bit late, but here goes: Merry Christmas everyone! :)

I've added some new features to my grid search tool and replaced Lat,Lon input parameters (to avoid numerous recalculations of coordinates) with the single Spot=lat,lng parameter. Also, now you are required to doubleclick the spot you want to save/open in GE (single click still updates streetview pane) and if you click on corner markers you can easily generate neighboring grids and move on with your search.

I tried to emulate 11a's grid (had to implement new grid "form" factor parameter for that), here are the links:

(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9662/capitolagridng3.jpg) (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9608333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)

Grid 1: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9608333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9608333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 2: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9783333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9783333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 3: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.96679241666667,-121.9783333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.96679241666667,-121.9783333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 4: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.96679241666667,-121.9608333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.96679241666667,-121.9608333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 5: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9433333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9433333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 6: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9433333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9433333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 7: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.99154091666667,-121.9608333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.99154091666667,-121.9608333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 8: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.99154091666667,-121.9783333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.99154091666667,-121.9783333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 9: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.99154091666667,-121.9958333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.99154091666667,-121.9958333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 10: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9958333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9958333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 11: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.96679241666667,-121.9958333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.96679241666667,-121.9958333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 12: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9258333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9258333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 13: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9258333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-121.9258333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 14: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=37.00391516666667,-121.9258333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=37.00391516666667,-121.9258333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 15: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=37.00391516666667,-121.9433333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=37.00391516666667,-121.9433333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 16: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=37.00391516666667,-121.9608333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=37.00391516666667,-121.9608333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 17: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=37.00391516666667,-121.9783333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=37.00391516666667,-121.9783333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 18: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=37.00391516666667,-121.9958333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=37.00391516666667,-121.9958333333333&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 19: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=37.00391516666667,-122.01333333333329&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=37.00391516666667,-122.01333333333329&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 20: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.99154091666667,-122.01333333333329&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.99154091666667,-122.01333333333329&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 21: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-122.01333333333329&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.97916666666667,-122.01333333333329&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)
Grid 22: http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.96679241666667,-122.01333333333329&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071 (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/gmap.html?Spot=36.96679241666667,-122.01333333333329&Grid=35&Spacing=0.0005&Form=0.7071)

This should be it, for a while... hopefully, now I'll continue searching for the poles, instead of tweaking my script all the time. I intend to publish it for public use later, but it can wait until we're done here.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 26, 2008, 05:17:54 PM
Amazing work, Neki! :o

I'll try our new toy  ;D this evening for the grids 7 and 16.
Next steps for me:
1- Create grids n°25 to 37 (from Aptos, Capitola North, to Santa Cruz.)
2- Define general areas to search, after Capitola area.

For the point n°2, Frank said that the key is the street lamp pole, and I agree that we should define our research according to this.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: dixonf December 26, 2008, 06:20:40 PM
Just checked 600 Bostwick Santa Cruz...As poles go, not even close when up & personal.....Interesting area, dirt road into the houses off of Soquel Ave....If you wanted to hide pole, good place to do it..................
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 26, 2008, 11:13:40 PM
Thank you Frank.

Just finished to check grid n°7.
Some things remind me of Raj's pics, but no match again. :(

(http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/3756/grid7gb3.png)

Cottonwood trees on Bay Ave:
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8997/cottonwoodtreescb7.png)
(http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2954/cottonwoodtree2pq5.png)

Next grid n°16
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 26, 2008, 11:48:07 PM
By looking randomly around there, I found a place where it seems there are "American Electric SRX-55 (55W SOX) lanterns": in the Alameda area.

(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/7374/alameda1gz7.png)
(http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/2299/alameda2za3.png)

It's the first time I see this lamp (or a very similar model) with Google Earth/Maps.
Moreover, I haven't seen it yet alone, but always attached to a power/telephone pole.

Pole hunters, maybe we are close!! ;D ;D
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 27, 2008, 12:13:54 AM
Another with more similarities:

- Lamp
- Two wires pole
- Sequoia trees like in pict n°18

(http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/3965/beachwaybi6.png)

However, the cottonwood trees are missing.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: HPO December 27, 2008, 02:16:04 PM
instead of tweaking my script all the time.

Well it shows !!  :) ,....great stuff, this option should have been in Google Earth from the beginning when they started with the streetview option.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: onthefence December 27, 2008, 06:26:24 PM
Or, if you're interested, it could also be hosted here and presented as a tool developed by the DRT forum (I wouldn't have done it if it weren't for this site, anyway)?

It is now available here:

http://droneteam.com/gmap.html (http://droneteam.com/gmap.html)

Thank you Nekitamo!
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 27, 2008, 08:19:12 PM
@Neki
Do you think that you can create another script that can automatically define grids (and assign a number for each of them) for all of these area we are interested in?
: Re: Pole Research Team
: Arkhangels December 28, 2008, 05:43:08 AM
Nice job, you guys are better than CSIs!
This is real stuff going on  :D
: Part II : Pole Research Team
: nekitamo December 28, 2008, 03:28:09 PM
@Neki
Do you think that you can create another script that can automatically define grids (and assign a number for each of them) for all of these area we are interested in?

Well, here's something I "recycled" from Google Map API demo scripts this morning - it generates "spiral" grid of 1,4,16 or 36 squares (hardcoded, I'm afraid - but I'll add more) centered on coordinates that Google's geocoding algorithm returns for specified city or address. Click on grid square markers opens a small info panel.

From there, Grid Search Tool can be started with default options (10x10 grid, 0.0005 degree squares). I selected spiral pattern like you did for Capitola because it ensures same grid square numbers for all grid sizes. My hosting is down (again!), but I'll upload it as http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/grid.html (http://nekitamo.uuuq.com/grid.html) when it returns back on-line. In the meantime, let me know if you have any suggestions or if you had something else in mind...
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 28, 2008, 04:02:27 PM
While waiting your hosting back-on-line, I have some notes:
- Your spiral pattern is clockwise and mine is counterclockwise.
- I agree that a grid must be make of squares (10*10) instead of rectangles (21*15) like I did for Capitola area.
- This spiral pattern could be useful only for the most populated areas (Saratoga, Los Gatos, etc...) and not for the coast areas; then I propose you to create such 36 square grids, like you did it for the Saratoga area for all the populated area around there. In the meantime, I'll continue to create my 21*15 grids for finish to check the Capitola/Soquel/Aptos/SantaCruz area and all the coast up to North and down to South.
- Maybe we should name all the "maxi-grids", either with a number or a name...

Anyway, great stuff again!

PS: I'm currently checking the grids 6, 15 and 16 in Capitola area.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: nekitamo December 28, 2008, 08:47:48 PM
As this script seems to be fully functional even without hosting, here it is:
:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN"
  "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
  <head>
    <meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"/>
    <title>Google Maps Grid Generator v1.0 by nekitamo</title>
    <script src="http://maps.google.com/maps?file=api&amp;v=2&amp;key=ABQIAAAA9THrl1LUOes74nkRKA5pdRQjG1bqh36gwrRhcPjnOErksQFtwRTXtKJemFnfwyIysZ_raZQtiCf2uw"
      type="text/javascript"></script>
    <script src="http://gmaps-utility-library.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/mapiconmaker/1.1/src/mapiconmaker.js" type="text/javascript"></script>
    <script type="text/javascript">

    var map = null;
    var geocoder = null;

    function initialize() {
      if (GBrowserIsCompatible()) {
        var viewportwidth;
        var viewportheight;
        if (typeof window.innerWidth != 'undefined')
        {
          viewportwidth = window.innerWidth,
          viewportheight = window.innerHeight
        }
      else if (typeof document.documentElement != 'undefined'
        && typeof document.documentElement.clientWidth !=
        'undefined' && document.documentElement.clientWidth != 0)
        {
          viewportwidth = document.documentElement.clientWidth,
          viewportheight = document.documentElement.clientHeight
        } else {
          viewportwidth = document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0].clientWidth,
          viewportheight = document.getElementsByTagName('body')[0].clientHeight
        }
       
        var psize = parseInt(viewportheight)-50;
        document.getElementById("map_canvas").style.height = (psize.toString() + "px");
     
        map = new GMap2(document.getElementById("map_canvas"));
        map.setCenter(new GLatLng(37.4419, -122.1419), 12);
        map.addControl(new GMapTypeControl());
        map.addControl(new GLargeMapControl());
        geocoder = new GClientGeocoder();
        document.getElementById("gob").disabled=false;
      }
    }

    function showAddress(address) {
      if (geocoder) {
        geocoder.getLatLng(
          address,
          function(point) {
            if (!point) {
              alert(address + " not found");
            } else {
              map.setCenter(point, 14);
              var grid = parseInt(document.getElementById("grid").value);
              var size = parseFloat(document.getElementById("size").value);
              var spot = new GLatLng(point.lat()+(size/2),point.lng()-(size/2));
              var x = new Array (0,1,1,0,-1,-1,-1,0,1,2,2,2,2,1,0,-1,-2,-2,-2,-2,-2,-1,0,1,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,2,1,0,-1,-2,-3,-3,-3,-3,-3,-3,-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,3,2,1,0,-1,-2,-3,-4,-4,-4,-4,-4,-4,-4,-4);
              var y = new Array (0,0,-1,-1,-1,0,1,1,1,1,0,-1,-2,-2,-2,-2,-2,-1,0,1,2,2,2,2,2,2,1,0,-1,-2,-3,-3,-3,-3,-3,-3,-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,2,1,0,-1,-2,-3,-4,-4,-4,-4,-4,-4,-4,-4,-4,-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3);
              for(i=0; i < grid; i++) {
                var Lat = spot.lat()+(y[i]*size);
                var Lon = spot.lng()+(x[i]*size);
                var newIcon = MapIconMaker.createFlatIcon({width: 24, height: 24, primaryColor: "#0000ff", label: String(i+1), labelColor: "#ffffff", labelSize: 14, shape: "roundrect"});
                marker = new GMarker(new GLatLng(Lat,Lon), {icon: newIcon});
                map.addOverlay(marker);
                GEvent.addListener(marker,"click", function (latlng){
                  var myHtml = "<small><strong>Gridmark in: "+ address + "</strong><hr>Latitude: " + latlng.lat() + "<br/>Longitude: " + latlng.lng()
                  + "<br/><a href=http://maps.google.com/maps?q=GST+Gridmark@" + latlng.lat() + "," + latlng.lng()
                  + "&output=kml>Save KML / Open in Google Earth</a><hr>"
                  + "<a href=http://droneteam.com/gmap.html?Spot=" + latlng.lat() + "," + latlng.lng() + "&Grid=" + (10*(size/0.005)) + " target=_blank>Start Grid Search Tool from here...</a></small>";
                map.openInfoWindow(latlng, myHtml);});
                var polyline = new GPolyline([
                  new GLatLng(Lat,Lon),
                  new GLatLng(Lat-(size/2),Lon+(size/2))
                ], "#ff0000", 2, 1, {geodesic:true});
                map.addOverlay(polyline);
               }
              document.getElementById("gob").disabled=true;
            }
          }
        );
      }
    }
   
    </script>
  </head>

  <body onload="initialize()" onunload="GUnload()">
    <form action="#" onsubmit="showAddress(this.address.value); return false">
      <p>
        Location:&nbsp;<input type="text" size="60" name="address" value="Palo Alto, CA" />&nbsp;
        Grid squares:&nbsp;<select name="grid" id="grid">
          <option value=1>1
          <option value="4">4
          <option value="6">6
          <option value="9">9
          <option value="12">12
          <option value="16">16
          <option value="20">20
          <option value="25">25
          <option value="30">30
          <option value="36" selected>36
          <option value="42">42
          <option value="56">56
          <option value="64">64
          <option value="72">72</select>&nbsp;
        Square size:&nbsp;<select name="size" id="size">
          <option value="0.0025">0.0025
          <option value="0.005" selected>0.005
          <option value="0.01">0.01
          <option value="0.025">0.025
          <option value="0.05">0.05
          </select>&nbsp;(degrees)&nbsp;
        <input type="submit" id="gob" value="Go!" />
      </p>
      <div id="map_canvas" style="width: 100%; height: 500px"></div>
    </form>
  </body>
</html>


Click on "select" above the script, copy-paste everything to notepad and save it as grid.html or something like that (as long as it's .html) and it should work when you open it in your browser. Usage is quite simple, you enter desired city name (or address) and select number of grid squares. It always generates exact same grids for specified city and square size, so grid squares can be simply referenced like this, for example (once we agree about standard square size):

Start the script, enter "City, CA", click "Go" and open GST from marker nr. 5

Example, if you enter i.e. "Paris, France" and set square size to 0.05 it generates the grid covering almost the whole city of Paris... :)
Oh, and also this: once you generate the grid, the script is locked and you have to reload the page to generate new grid again.

Btw, I also forgot to mention that I enabled keyboard control in my first script. You can use arrows, home, end, page-up and page-down keys in both map and streetview panes (click them to switch keyboard control from one to other). Especially fun with streetview - feels like some 3D video game :)
: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 28, 2008, 09:42:31 PM
I tried it and have only one word: great!!

The script also works with coordinates instead of cities name.
: Re: Pole Research Team
: nekitamo December 28, 2008, 10:55:52 PM
Glad you like it :)

: Re: Pole Research Team
: elevenaugust December 29, 2008, 09:20:19 PM
Results for grid n°16:

(http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7084/grid16jc5.png)

Nothing special here.

Results for grid n°15:

(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/9362/grid15wk4.png)

- 10 could be an interesting pole, with probably a street lamp attached to; however, there's no streetview available here and Live Maps didn't give more details here.
Coordinates of 10: 36°59'59.79"N 121°56'31.14"W