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Title: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: Montana on July 09, 2011, 11:51:32 PM
Hello all,

I am one of the many listeners of the LMH interviews that have found their way here, and thought I might try to contribute to the discussion in a peripheral way.  FWIW, I haven't seen drones myself, suspect that the event really does occur though, and, sheesh, what a fun puzzle to try to unravel ... and sometimes the more minds that try to co-fathom, the better the result.

This post is about the writing, or whatever it is, seen on the tail bottoms ... I am not an authority on Greek language, but the symbols looked distinctly Greek to me (no pun intended).  There was certainly some front loading though having listened to LMH interview and the Oltissis (Greek) reference.

The first symbol there looks like a capital Delta, the second a lower case gamma, the third a lower case theta ... but my eyes aren't that good to really decipher them too well.

Here is a link to various Greek letter styles:

http://www.google.com/search?q=greek+alphabet&hl=en&client=opera&hs=8Fd&rls=en&channel=suggest&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=pJ4YTpDXCqLniALgxNXRBQ&ved=0CD4QsAQ (http://www.google.com/search?q=greek+alphabet&hl=en&client=opera&hs=8Fd&rls=en&channel=suggest&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=pJ4YTpDXCqLniALgxNXRBQ&ved=0CD4QsAQ)

Maybe that will be of use to someone here.

Thanks,

Montana

Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on July 10, 2011, 03:02:40 AM
The first symbol there looks like a capital Delta, the second a lower case gamma, the third a lower case theta ... but my eyes aren't that good to really decipher them too well.
Welcome.

I can see how some characters have similarities, from your description I made the following graphic plus added the "7" character as it looks similar to upper case gamma:
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/onthefence55/greek.jpg)

However, I think that the Katakana alphabet has more similarities to all the characters presented in the entire drone case. Upper case Greek characters have often been presented as chiselled strokes, but Katakana has often been presented as pen strokes similar to the look of some of the drone characters. Here is a character map of Katakana symbols with the drone characters highlighted:

(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/onthefence55/katakanasimilar.jpg)


Here is the latest transcription of the drone characters as presented in 2007:

(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/onthefence55/caret22.jpg)
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: Montana on July 10, 2011, 08:44:37 PM
I certainly can see how many of these characters, those more toward the lower right, are very much Katakanan in character, particularly so in that they look like the brush strokes if Japanese Calligraphy.

Info on Katakana :

Japanese Katakana
Origin

The katakana syllabary was derived from abbreviated Chinese characters used by Buddhist monks to indicate the correct pronunciations of Chinese texts in the 9th century. At first there were many different symbols to represent one syllable of spoken Japanese, but over the years the system was streamlined. By the 14th century, there was a more or less one-to-one correspondence between spoken and written syllables.

The word katakana "part (of kanji) syllabic script". The "part" refers to the fact that katakana characters represent parts of kanji.
Characteristics and usage of katakana

The katakana syllabary consists of 48 syllables and was originally considered "men's writing". Since the 20th century, katakana have been used mainly to write non-Chinese loan words, onomatopoeic words, foreign names, in telegrams and for emphasis (the equivalent of bold, italic or upper case text in English). Before the 20th century all foreign loanwords were written with kanji.

Katakana are also used to write Ainu, a language spoken on the northern Japanese island of Hokkaido.

(truncated to respect copyright)
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/japanese_katakana.htm (http://www.omniglot.com/writing/japanese_katakana.htm)

styles of Katakana:
http://www.google.com/search?q=Katakana&hl=en&client=opera&hs=8me&rls=en&channel=suggest&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=9usZTu_LHcrUiALCsqDlCg&ved=0CDAQsAQ (http://www.google.com/search?q=Katakana&hl=en&client=opera&hs=8me&rls=en&channel=suggest&prmd=ivns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=9usZTu_LHcrUiALCsqDlCg&ved=0CDAQsAQ)

Well.  If I REALLY want to know, I know just what to do!
Paint the symbols on my roof along with a peace sign of some sort... say, three or seven interlocking rings, and see who shows up!

(Um... honey?  You'll never guess who's stopped by for dinner...~)

Question is, do I want to get the up close and personal with it!

Thanks OTF, for the graphs above, they are much clearer than what I was trying to deal with before.

-Montana
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on July 13, 2011, 09:13:02 PM
It is very likely that the CARET papers were composed on a Xerox 8010 as described here:
http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=307.0 (http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=307.0)
Also notice that one of the fonts on the screen appears similar to Katakana.
I could not find anyone that had a working Xerox 8010 computer to check it out though.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on July 20, 2011, 08:29:12 PM
The characters seen on the panels of the Big Basin Drone are not writing or some message.  The are working elements in 3 dimensions that comprise a portion of the total device.  The field that activates them is create by the entire device and its specific components.  The components alone have no independent functions.  It is the combination and its total field that is effectual.  Study of the individual parts leads nowhere.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on July 20, 2011, 11:12:33 PM
The characters seen on the panels of the Big Basin Drone are not writing or some message.  The are working elements in 3 dimensions that comprise a portion of the total device.  The field that activates them is create by the entire device and its specific components.  The components alone have no independent functions.  It is the combination and its total field that is effectual.  Study of the individual parts leads nowhere.
L E V I A T H A N
Thank you for bringing that point alive again which reminded me of what Isaac said in his letter (http://droneteam.com/history/isaac/):
Quote from: Isaac
... What makes it all especially difficult to grasp is that every element of each "diagram" is dependant on and related to every other element, which means no single detail can be created, removed or modified independently.
Which brings me to a theory that it's not the letters at all but the placement of them that holds a key.

Have we been looking too closely at the brush-strokes and missing the entire painting?!

Were the letters chosen only as a building material?

 
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: ominoustruth on July 20, 2011, 11:41:24 PM
The characters seen on the panels of the Big Basin Drone are not writing or some message.  The are working elements in 3 dimensions that comprise a portion of the total device.  The field that activates them is create by the entire device and its specific components.  The components alone have no independent functions.  It is the combination and its total field that is effectual.  Study of the individual parts leads nowhere.
L E V I A T H A N
Thank you for bringing that point alive again which reminded me of what Isaac said in his letter (http://droneteam.com/history/isaac/):
Quote from: Isaac
... What makes it all especially difficult to grasp is that every element of each "diagram" is dependant on and related to every other element, which means no single detail can be created, removed or modified independently.
Which brings me to a theory that it's not the letters at all but the placement of them that holds a key.

Have we been looking too closely at the brush-strokes and missing the entire painting?!

Were the letters chosen only as a building material?

 
Hi OTF & LEV,

Remember DOS and Commands.

http://www.easydos.com/dosindex.html (http://www.easydos.com/dosindex.html)

One left out, misplaced, or misspelled character and nothing happens!!!

The entire sequence must be perfect and inclusive.

Just a very Primitive Comparison  to the Drone Language Symbols.

                                                                                                                            Ted

Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on July 21, 2011, 12:32:42 AM
No Ted, a very astute comment.  This device is not a machine at its most basic form.  It is only presenting itself to us as so by using the raw materials of our physics.  You could say that it is some sort of program running in our physical world, but in reality being alien. We are sure your experience was real Ted.
Take care
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: ominoustruth on July 21, 2011, 04:19:11 AM
The first symbol there looks like a capital Delta, the second a lower case gamma, the third a lower case theta ... but my eyes aren't that good to really decipher them too well.
Welcome.

I can see how some characters have similarities, from your description I made the following graphic plus added the "7" character as it looks similar to upper case gamma:
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/onthefence55/greek.jpg)

However, I think that the Katakana alphabet has more similarities to all the characters presented in the entire drone case. Upper case Greek characters have often been presented as chiselled strokes, but Katakana has often been presented as pen strokes similar to the look of some of the drone characters. Here is a character map of Katakana symbols with the drone characters highlighted:

(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/onthefence55/katakanasimilar.jpg)


Here is the latest transcription of the drone characters as presented in 2007:

(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/onthefence55/caret22.jpg)
Hi Everyone.

I had a chance to get an update from the Professor who is trying to help in the search for some origin of the CARET and LAP symbols. He has come up with an interesting theory which revolves around the possibility of an advanced Machine Language. I will give greater detail later after he gets all the info to me, but i will give a short explanation of the basics. He thinks there are 3 separate elements to each symbol.  The first is the main body. Primarily the upside down L shaped and the long curved symbols. The L shaped he seems to believe is an ACTIVE ELEMENT. The curved ones he believes are a PASSIVE ELEMENT. The TRIGGER ELEMENT ( The symbol that controls all the others), is the small oblong symbol associated with both the L and Curved symbols. His Theory is that these 3 elements are required for the activation of whatever function the SYMBOLS are designed to do. I am short on time tonight but will post more info tomorrow after he gets me a complete breakdown on his analysis of the complete diagram that i presented to him a few months ago. More To Come. Hope this Theory leads somewhere.

                                                                                                                           Ted 
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: ominoustruth on July 21, 2011, 04:00:48 PM
The first symbol there looks like a capital Delta, the second a lower case gamma, the third a lower case theta ... but my eyes aren't that good to really decipher them too well.
Welcome.

I can see how some characters have similarities, from your description I made the following graphic plus added the "7" character as it looks similar to upper case gamma:
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/onthefence55/greek.jpg)

However, I think that the Katakana alphabet has more similarities to all the characters presented in the entire drone case. Upper case Greek characters have often been presented as chiselled strokes, but Katakana has often been presented as pen strokes similar to the look of some of the drone characters. Here is a character map of Katakana symbols with the drone characters highlighted:

(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/onthefence55/katakanasimilar.jpg)


Here is the latest transcription of the drone characters as presented in 2007:

(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/onthefence55/caret22.jpg)
Hi Everyone.

I had a chance to get an update from the Professor who is trying to help in the search for some origin of the CARET and LAP symbols. He has come up with an interesting theory which revolves around the possibility of an advanced Machine Language. I will give greater detail later after he gets all the info to me, but i will give a short explanation of the basics. He thinks there are 3 separate elements to each symbol.  The first is the main body. Primarily the upside down L shaped and the long curved symbols. The L shaped he seems to believe is an ACTIVE ELEMENT. The curved ones he believes are a PASSIVE ELEMENT. The TRIGGER ELEMENT ( The symbol that controls all the others), is the small oblong symbol associated with both the L and Curved symbols. His Theory is that these 3 elements are required for the activation of whatever function the SYMBOLS are designed to do. I am short on time tonight but will post more info tomorrow after he gets me a complete breakdown on his analysis of the complete diagram that i presented to him a few months ago. More To Come. Hope this Theory leads somewhere.

                                                                                                                           Ted
Here is some more information, that i did not have time to post last night. Keep in mind this is just this Professors Theory and not conclusive proof of the meaning of the symbols. He arrived at these conclusions after many attempts using a database designed as a Primer for obscure Machine Language computations.

First, 16.0  LP is believed to be the master controller for all functions of the ACTIVE, PASSIVE, and TRIGGER Symbols.

e1.5  L and  E1.5  L are power level up and down for all A,P, & T symbols

The  " EXOTIC " Symbols are sensors to detect and determine whether a function is to be PASSIVE or ACTIVE.

All " L " Symbols are ACTIVE , Meaning that they create an action or transmit.

All " SINGLE SYMBOLS" are PASSIVE, meaning they Interpret an action or Receive.

All " V"  Symbols are PASSIVE and STORE information for further actions.

The " Oblong" Transmit symbols are used as Triggers with all or some of the L, Single, and V symbols to Command or Activate their functions.

This is what detail information i have received for now from the Professor. I expect him to have more soon including meanings for some of the other characters in the Symbols Map.

                                                                                                                                       Ted   
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: EVS on July 21, 2011, 09:48:52 PM
Hi Ted,

This then seems to confirm what Isaac said, as I understand it. We're dealing with a mashine language, not a spoken language. Great, this only sustains the realism of the drone case in my eyes. Great work.

EVS
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: Douglas on July 22, 2011, 01:36:24 AM
The characters seen on the panels of the Big Basin Drone are not writing or some message.  The are working elements in 3 dimensions that comprise a portion of the total device.  The field that activates them is create by the entire device and its specific components.  The components alone have no independent functions.  It is the combination and its total field that is effectual.  Study of the individual parts leads nowhere.
L E V I A T H A N

Lev is correct.  The Drones are more like a living organism than a machine [as we know them].  Trying to understand how the Drones works is like trying to back-engineer a human being by taking it apart and making a replica.   How a human being operates is fundamental to the 'whole and the 'parts' all at the same time.

Whoever designs and builds the Drones is so far advanced of us that its hard to comprehend.   It appears their machines are based on the principles of nature, rather than our primitive mechanics.

We need another thousand years or more to replicate this.

Douglas
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: majicbar on July 22, 2011, 06:21:37 AM
I believe that the exotic and "L" symbols are related to quantum waves and are used to provoke single atoms in a manner of machine language quantum computing. Such programming is way beyond what we understand as computing and may allow chaining of the whole programs for simultaneous dynamic computing with all sensors acting interactively.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on July 23, 2011, 02:49:48 AM
My thought is that the device seen and photographed is part of a much larger quantum system or device.  What we were shown was not by accident but on purpose.  According to the skeptics this Drone thing should have been dead long ago.  It is far from dead and leading some to interesting and new insights and information.  The photographs may not have been by photons at all.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 06, 2012, 02:10:05 AM
For our Spanish speaking members, here is a video:
C A R E T loquendo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vii39OScjLE#)

I also find this Betty Hill drawing contains some characters quite similar to the CARET case:
(http://www.truthseekeratroswell.com/images/080107_BettyHillSymbolsL.jpg)

More of that story here:
http://www.truthseekeratroswell.com/ed080107.html (http://www.truthseekeratroswell.com/ed080107.html)
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: danblast on February 06, 2012, 03:28:43 PM
Nice.
It continues to amaze me how this case is all but written off by the UFO community.
Doug has put forward all kinds of history.
I've put my 2 cents in with that as well.
The similarities you just put forth.
The various eye witnesses that did come forward.
The exhaustive research on the photo's and the primer which to this day no one has been able to prove false.

This case has a lot better evidence than most cases YET it is still ignored and written off by most.

Sad.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 06, 2012, 04:50:24 PM
Nice.
It continues to amaze me how this case is all but written off by the UFO community.
Doug has put forward all kinds of history.
I've put my 2 cents in with that as well.
The similarities you just put forth.
The various eye witnesses that did come forward.
The exhaustive research on the photo's and the primer which to this day no one has been able to prove false.

This case has a lot better evidence than most cases YET it is still ignored and written off by most.

Sad.

Thanks Dan,

A few points that I have noticed about this case in answer to your comments.

1. Nobody likes being lied to. For some people who really believed in this case, the revelation of the lie came when it was proven that the "Raj" images came from Campbell, not Capitola as claimed. For others more sceptical, being convinced of a lie came much earlier when photo experts chimed in with their opinions.

2. Throw the baby out with the bathwater. There is so much information today that filtering is a necessity to carry on day-to-day. So, any questionable cases like this one must be discarded in favour of concentrating on new cases that are possibly more real.

3. Like all paranormal cases, not one bit of physical evidence has been presented. Where is the working alien artefact? What was the address of CARET? Notice how all presented reports lead to dead ends.

4. Too many odd things must be considered true if this case is to be real, i.e MIBs, supernatural, gov't coverup, mind control, gravity control, visibility control, crop circle patterns, etc. . But only one thing has to be true if the case is a hoax, i.e. a devious mind must have foisted this on us.

Faced with all these issues, the average person cannot function with so many unanswered questions and suspended beliefs. And, I am convinced that many UFO investigators rely on others for qualification of validity (ex. MUFONs reasons for closing the case, and it is explicitly MUFONs rule to reject a case submitted anonymously).

I think it is more sad that the person(s) submitting the images did not stick around long enough to provide any traceable lead.  Even in all the original submissions, each email was so carefully crafted that it could never be traced, i.e. hotmail and yahoo untraceable addresses, no contact information, misleading location information, unregistered "real names". That in itself is not proof of a hoax, but it is a mighty big blow to the reality of the case.

People will not to tell their secret until they are ready. Whoever knows what is going on in this case will have to come forward in their own good time, and I am convinced that there is nothing we can do to hurry that process ... right "Isaac"?

Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 07, 2012, 03:32:15 AM
As to hoax. I know a lot.  l have given reasons in private to some.  The Drone has not been duplicated in any way nor has the LAP.  The Inventory Photo is the single most important image in the modern UFO era.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 07, 2012, 12:00:36 PM
OTF's post below is an excellent example of why I think he is held in such high regard by everyone, no matter what their belief system may be. 

Why, when there are enough mysteries already in this saga, would anyone want to increase the unknown factors?  When more information is available the respect will follow, as all good work commands respect from those who appreciate high standards.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 07, 2012, 07:42:30 PM
I learned from UFO Casebook, where I still am, so what I know will be given in private to those I trust.  I need no respect from that site nor its returned master.  I will repeat, the LAP inventory Image is the most important image in the current era of the UFO.  I played the humor game with the humor/ridicule thread to get information and to put them off the sent.  That group is pure disinformation.  Its sole purpose is to bury the Drones and they have done the opposite.  If the internet community will not take the Drones seriously others have and will.  Notice the quiet that has taken the Drones, it is not by accident nor is it the work of some ridiculous posters at an unimportant website.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 07, 2012, 08:55:47 PM
As to hoax. I know a lot.  l have given reasons in private to some.  The Drone has not been duplicated in any way nor has the LAP.  The Inventory Photo is the single most important image in the modern UFO era.
L E V I A T H A N

I have seen numerous presentations where some of the audience was offended because they were not explicitly catered to. And yes, Just like "Raj", I think a "message" was being sent by you. Only "Raj" knows why he said Capitola., and maybe his goal has been met by him already.

There is something much bigger going on in the head of people like "Isaac". I also think that those real reasons remain hidden because of threat of jealous reactions. He presented the material in a way to remain protected from that reaction doing any real harm. I think all of us here know the threat of jealous reactions and why we withdraw from further public contact. I know what it is like to be on the receiving end of those threats, my reaction is to just back away from the scared animal.

I agree that the inventory image is very compelling!
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 07, 2012, 08:56:04 PM
Why, when there are enough mysteries already in this saga, would anyone want to increase the unknown factors?  When more information is available the respect will follow, as all good work commands respect from those who appreciate high standards.

Why? I think that is a point of view.  We feel used for being involved in the case and getting no answers. Maybe all the presenters of the accounts in this case had their own reasons to use their delivery method, and there was no regard to how "we" would feel by not receiving their whole story.

It reminds me a bit of the day the police showed up at my door asking about a missing neighbourhood woman. I assume she is dead, and now I am involved to some degree by answering simple questions. My mind is not at rest, always wondering where this poor woman is. Obviously there is more to the case than what I was told, and I feel a bit used that I was involved and will likely never know as much about the case that the police know, at the same time I am glad to have been given the opportunity to help. I am also quite sure there is a very good reason for them to use all the neighbours in such a way. And since the police did not take the woman, there is no reason I can be upset with them. I must accept that many things will never be known to me.

Did people like "Raj" mislead for a reason? I am sure he is at ease with his decision to do that, but we'll likely never know what his root cause was, or exactly why we were at the receiving end of his presentations.

Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 07, 2012, 09:58:14 PM
I learned from UFO Casebook, where I still am, so what I know will be given in private to those I trust.  I need no respect from that site nor its returned master.  I will repeat, the LAP inventory Image is the most important image in the current era of the UFO.  I played the humor game with the humor/ridicule thread to get information and to put them off the sent.  That group is pure disinformation.  Its sole purpose is to bury the Drones and they have done the opposite.  If the internet community will not take the Drones seriously others have and will.  Notice the quiet that has taken the Drones, it is not by accident nor is it the work of some ridiculous posters at an unimportant website.
L E V I A T H A N

Lev... my dark horse.. the prolific creator .. I know you care deeply.  But why?
And am I not to be trusted when my loyalty is to the truth and figuring this thing out? 
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: EVS on February 07, 2012, 11:24:48 PM
Well, from reading through the new posts, I'm sure you all agree, that "Isaac" sure is the one and only "person" that really hold the answers!

He might have placed "witnesses" (the ones KNOWN!) just to promote his (very fast, in my opinion) response.

I think "Isaac" might have staged all this...

As he reveals both the CARET files, and the photo in the hangar, and the LAP (in a specific detailed way)...

Can we assume that he "really" was triggered be the "sightings"?

Or, he already knew how to place his information, once the ground was fertilized by the "sightings"?

Placing images accordingly to the sightings, might be benevolent to his cause, and would sustain his statements
for further investigation. He might have chosen this way, I can't be sure.

Anyway, to create this complex scenario, which span through several states of the US regarding the witnesses, sure will have to have a purpose.

And the only one, I can see..is that "Isaac" needed to share his information in a place where he was sure he'd be heard.

This sure makes this case much more interesting, and sure more real.

As of now, no one has claimed ownership of the revealed photo's, be it the LAP or the "Hanger Photo".

Many, and I mean, really many people have tried this case, be it con or pro, as to this day, this case is still
not solved, and do not forget those who "saw" the drones in their mind, a couple of members here sure know what they experienced....

So, Isaac, we wait for more...hungry as we've become...

If you have passed, then rest assure your memory stays with all of Us who researched your brilliant release!

Millions of hours researching collectively on the Internet hopefully isn't in vain!

EVS
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 08, 2012, 12:22:00 AM
The Big Basin Drone is the only Drone to match the parts on the hanger floor of the LAP inventory photo.  The Big Basin Drone is by far the most complicated of all the Drones.  It has features that rival the computer generated models of today and surpass them and it was seen in 2007. It has not been reproduced by anyone.  It shows the signs of having been photographed through the lens of a real camera. The shadow arguments were always foolish for a thousand reasons, but pushed by the very "expert" who started the "humor/ridicule" thread at UFOCB. the Idea was to damage the Drones and any information or poster involved and that was all it was. EVS is very correct in his statements, my own research which a poster here is aware of seems to point not to separate events, but an orchestrated, designed revelation for the few who would listen.  Its presentation on the web may have accomplished the original intention, to cleverly show some what is above them at all times.  To whom does it report and what do they want!  Understand this THE DRONES WILL NOT GO AWAY they never have.

tomi, I do not play with Mikey or Many anymore, I have what I wanted from them.

L E V I A T H A N

Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 08, 2012, 12:32:56 AM
Millions of hours researching collectively on the Internet hopefully isn't in vain!
Surely, if calculated the same way businesses calculate man-hours devoted to projects, "millions" would be an accurate guess :)

The likelihood that "Isaac" reads this is very low. Internet searches for CARET / Isaac / drone put this web site near the very end, even Earthfiles and Coast to Coast don't link here.  Interestingly now, the original site: http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/ (http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/) has far fewer advertisements that originally, and it seems that one thing that Isaac said remains constant, from that website:

"I tend to question the motives of anyone charging money for their information, and will assure you that I will never do such a thing. And in the future, just to cover all the bases, anyone claiming to be me who's selling a DVD or book is most certainly not going to be me."
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 08, 2012, 12:38:08 AM
The Big Basin Drone is the only Drone to match the parts on the hanger floor of the LAP inventory photo.
Quite true.

Also note that one part of the "Raj" strange craft matches one part in the inventory photo, as seen in the middle-top and middle bottom image below:

(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm106/onthefence55/photo-inter-relations.jpg)
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 08, 2012, 01:15:19 AM
After I read your post and OTF's, I went to http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/ (http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/) and checked to see what the names were on the drone photo's that Isaac put up on the site. 

He named the photos for Raj with raj and the tahoe one is named tahoe, the other is named chad.  For the BB drones, one on the left is named bigbasin and the one on the right is named bigbasin2. 

It seems to me he factored in the earlier drones to the degree he did the bigbasin and bigbasin2 as he named the photos and placed them in an order. 

There would never be enough time to get this created or organised if it was as he stated unless it was exactly as he stated, all by pure happenstance and he just happened to have the blueprint and back story ready to expose..

 I dunno here..  I think it was wholly an organised event with all parties staged to present their release or sighting in sequence.


I can't imagine Isaac or anyone out there having been part of this saga not finding this forum.  With their interest involved, it would be impossilble not to be follow all of us.   I 'm sure of that as much as I could be I think..
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 08, 2012, 02:00:03 AM
After I read your post and OTF's, I went to http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/ (http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/) and checked to see what the names were on the drone photo's that Isaac put up on the site. 

He named the photos for Raj with raj and the tahoe one is named tahoe, the other is named chad.  For the BB drones, one on the left is named bigbasin and the one on the right is named bigbasin2. 

It seems to me he factored in the earlier drones to the degree he did the bigbasin and bigbasin2 as he named the photos and placed them in an order. 

There would never be enough time to get this created or organised if it was as he stated unless it was exactly as he stated, all by pure happenstance and he just happened to have the blueprint and back story ready to expose..

 I dunno here..  I think it was wholly an organised event with all parties staged to present their release or sighting in sequence.


I can't imagine Isaac or anyone out there having been part of this saga not finding this forum.  With their interest involved, it would be impossilble not to be follow all of us.   I 'm sure of that as much as I could be I think..

"Isaac" apparently never created that website until about June 2007. The other submissions were made at least month earlier. And the Big Basin images always were labelled bigbasin and bigbasin2 according to what was submitted by "Jenna/Stephen". I suspect that those images were copied directly from Earthfiles at the time.

I would argue that even just one day notice would be enough to whip up that simple website and include images that were already posted elsewhere.

It would have been much more if Isaac had posted a Raj image from another angle that was not posted by Raj!, but nothing like that was ever done.

While you might be correct about it all being planned, I don't think there is any proof of that.

Also, for arguments sake. Ted never knew about this site or any of us until Linda introduced him to me. Shirley never knew about us until we tracked her down. It was only Brent that sent a message to use via the PIs after the topic was posted on a news aggregator. So I think it is possible that Isaac had his fill early on then just gave up following the I-chatter when Linda started passing doubtful questions along to him. Just a guess.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 08, 2012, 02:09:41 AM
I didn't mean setting up the website, I meant having the works ready to place into the website.  That is what I called genuine happenstance, he had the material at hand and it is all genuine, along with the photos selected to augment his essay about it.  If he was so fortunately positioned at that time in 2007 when all the drones also just happened to make their sequence of being sighted by the witnesses, and it all came together by happenstance as he said.. well then..

But.. if any of it isn't true, the witnesses etc, then it was done in sequence and Issac's material was part and parcel of it.  No way he could have created the material and the photos on the tarmac, etc on the fly after the drone sightings came out so he could exploit those sightings.   
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: EVS on February 08, 2012, 02:16:11 AM
After I read your post and OTF's, I went to http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/ (http://isaaccaret.fortunecity.com/) and checked to see what the names were on the drone photo's that Isaac put up on the site. 

He named the photos for Raj with raj and the tahoe one is named tahoe, the other is named chad.  For the BB drones, one on the left is named bigbasin and the one on the right is named bigbasin2. 

It seems to me he factored in the earlier drones to the degree he did the bigbasin and bigbasin2 as he named the photos and placed them in an order. 

There would never be enough time to get this created or organised if it was as he stated unless it was exactly as he stated, all by pure happenstance and he just happened to have the blueprint and back story ready to expose..

 I dunno here..  I think it was wholly an organised event with all parties staged to present their release or sighting in sequence.


I can't imagine Isaac or anyone out there having been part of this saga not finding this forum.  With their interest involved, it would be impossilble not to be follow all of us.   I 'm sure of that as much as I could be I think..

"Isaac" apparently never created that website until about June 2007. The other submissions were made at least month earlier. And the Big Basin images always were labelled bigbasin and bigbasin2 according to what was submitted by "Jenna/Stephen". I suspect that those images were copied directly from Earthfiles at the time.

I would argue that even just one day notice would be enough to whip up that simple website and include images that were already posted elsewhere.

It would have been much more if Isaac had posted a Raj image from another angle that was not posted by Raj!, but nothing like that was ever done.

While you might be correct about it all being planned, I don't think there is any proof of that.

Also, for arguments sake. Ted never knew about this site or any of us until Linda introduced him to me. Shirley never knew about us until we tracked her down. It was only Brent that sent a message to use via the PIs after the topic was posted on a news aggregator. So I think it is possible that Isaac had his fill early on then just gave up following the I-chatter when Linda started passing doubtful questions along to him. Just a guess.

OTF, I see what you say, but can the witnesses be trusted? If they, let's say, were "hired" by "Isaac"...it would be natural that they place their "observations" ahead of the actual "Isaac" release....as planned?

We actually don't know if/or the events the witnesses told about were placed in forehand by someone like "Isaac"?

He could have provided the witnesses with the information, photo's etc. which might explain the difference in where the "actual" sightings took place?

Just a figment of my mind...

EVS
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 08, 2012, 02:23:08 AM
EVS and tomi, you are both correct that we do not have enough information to prove that Isaac and Raj are different people. It could have all been staged, but we have no proof of that.

Until that person(s) wants to come forward and admit what or why they did that, we really only have guesses and assumptions to work with. Some people might call that "educated guesses".

I am still convinced that people will not tell you their secret until they are ready. "Isaac" is either dead or not-ready.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 08, 2012, 02:35:41 AM
More people were involved than just one here, I'm sure of that. If this is anything but real the way they told it, separately as witnesses with all their little lies told as real witnesses, it took more than just one Isaac. 

We don't really know who else is operating now, if it is not genuine, but I'm sure if the witnesses and Isaac are not real as they described themselves, but playing a part for whatever purpose, then they are following this, how could they not be keeping us in a fishbowl for whatever purpose initially they contrived this saga, their enjoyment of our perplexity continues until something changes or a new chapter in the saga begins..
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 08, 2012, 02:44:20 AM
More people were involved than just one here, I'm sure of that.

I think that is an "educated guess". There is no proof of the quantity of image submitters in this case.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: EVS on February 08, 2012, 02:51:45 AM
EVS and tomi, you are both correct that we do not have enough information to prove that Isaac and Raj are different people. It could have all been staged, but we have no proof of that.

Until that person(s) wants to come forward and admit what or why they did that, we really only have guesses and assumptions to work with. Some people might call that "educated guesses".

I am still convinced that people will not tell you their secret until they are ready. "Isaac" is either dead or not-ready.

Yes, but I am only trying to question the "modus operandi" of "Isaac"!

If he "orchestrated" this whole ordeal, and this is pure speculation, he would provide all witnesses with all the information needed, and that might be the reason why the witnesses now aren't to be found anymore.

They might have been paid to act as they did. We sure don't know this. But, it's a likely scenario.

However, if this is the case, and I strongly emphasize this is a theory, then it is adding much more truth to this whole saga, as someone like "Isaac" wouldn't go to this length to share his "Whistle Blower" evidence, unless it was true. It would serve no purpose, if this wasn't the case.

EVS


PS: There is no real evidence in a case like this, if so it would have been solved already!
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 08, 2012, 03:29:23 AM
The Inventory photo is the most telling UFO photo in the current UFO era.  The Drone Saga is a complete item and not a fragmented one.  It has placed an important story in the hands of private individuals through the medium of the web. What better way to do this and remain hidden.  It is up to the posters here and elsewhere to put the pieces together, those who need to know have done this.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 08, 2012, 11:25:16 AM
The Inventory photo is the most telling UFO photo in the current UFO era.  The Drone Saga is a complete item and not a fragmented one.  It has placed an important story in the hands of private individuals through the medium of the web. What better way to do this and remain hidden.  It is up to the posters here and elsewhere to put the pieces together, those who need to know have done this.
L E V I A T H A N

There isn't much left to go forward with unless people with inside information help us along here............

Wouldn't it be wonderful if this saga did produce something that could be substanciated.   

On the other hand, wouldn't it be wonderful to know who the people were that obsessively created this material to the point where every imaginable detail was tweaked to the ninth degree beyond any normal process as if they expected it to be combed over to the slightest detail.  Which it was by researchers looking as deeply into it as those who produced it expected it to be.  That took a lot of confidence in the creators if this was not real.  A lot of confidence, a lot of engineering in so many remarkable ways across the whole senerio.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 08, 2012, 08:37:25 PM
There isn't much left to go forward with unless people with inside information help us along here............

So true. But I cannot see that happening. Two possible scenarios:
1. Hey anonymous forum poster, I am Isaac and I want to share a world-changing important secret with you. Feel free to attack me for your disbelief, and turn me in for treason.
2. Hey anonymous forum poster, I am Isaac and I hoaxed the whole thing, please berate me and call me an idiot for being a hoaxer.

Seriously, with a cartoonish name like "OTF" how can anyone really take people like me seriously. Maybe we should put our real name and phone number online so that Isaac can trust us (like he did with LMH) ... nah. As long as we are anonymous, we have nothing to lose, and little to offer to Isaac no matter what side he comes from.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 08, 2012, 09:56:42 PM
If the discussion on the internet comes to a close, the knowledge among private people, who refuse to place themselves and their knowledge before cynical cyberbullys, will continue. The internet will not be the judge or arbitrator of this event.  Many people have watched from a distance the way the Drones have been treated and have made note of it.  Any other case of this merit will be treated on the web in the same way unless orchestrated not to.  My research continues and to whom should I report it.  I should take information and personalities and cast them into the abyss!!! No.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 08, 2012, 09:59:59 PM
Emptiness is what they will be left with.  Nature abhors a vacume they say and without anymore interest in this matter the vacume of emptiness for this extrodinary thing which either happened or they did in some way create, will become a longing for some kind of disclosure or further exposure.

You don't go to this extrodinary length (if not real) and then just forget about the glory..... and let everything else about it remain undiscovered..
IMO

Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 08, 2012, 10:42:37 PM
If the discussion on the internet comes to a close, the knowledge among private people, who refuse to place themselves and their knowledge before cynical cyberbullys, will continue. The internet will not be the judge or arbitrator of this event.  Many people have watched from a distance the way the Drones have been treated and have made note of it.  Any other case of this merit will be treated on the web in the same way unless orchestrated not to.  My research continues and to whom should I report it.  I should take information and personalities and cast them into the abyss!!! No.
L E V I A T H A N

But Lev,
I know I won't change your mind but I have to argue that this whole thing was created because of the internet.  Everything was set for exposure on the internet. Either by chance or deliberately.  And definately deliberately by Isaac. 

Anyone like Isaac, or anyone who participated in this surely knows what to expect in the way of public exposure.  Ridicule never stopped celebrities, authors, any artist or inventor or anyone who believes strongly enough in something.  It is to be expected.  It goes with the territory.  What is more dangerous and disturbing is public exposure and having someone in real life taking away your privacy or safety.  That is worrying but anyone who worries about internet riducule is really not of the ilk of our Issac or the others if they were part of an event and not just witnesses. 

I mean, they engage in doing this and don't expect it to fly at them from all quarters, yet they have the nouse to do something this extrodinary?  I don't think they ever factored out ridicule anymore then they factored out having this scrutinized with a microsope by the researchers.. If not entirely real. 
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 09, 2012, 01:34:01 AM
Why do you think I played the game so long with the humor/ridicule thread.  It was to learn and I learned.  Of course the internet was used and it was IMO a planned use. The people I speak of are not afraid of the sophomoric morons at all.  These people believe they can profit from information such as the Drone and other unusual information.  They have neither the time nor inclination to listen to dribble.  They are not going to share information, but get it.  One does not catch fish without bait in some form.  It was fun to go back and forth with the gang, but now I need to look at other matters.  I can only say that all you have said is expected.  I will add that the LAP Inventory Photo is very important more so than any other available information on this saga. The Drones are alive independent of the internet and the interest is real and some believe they may benefit from it in ways they choose to keep to themselves.  They do not need belief from anyone.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 09, 2012, 05:11:51 PM
Who is "they"? 

Please tell me... specifically, without resorting to labels or secret societies.  Just a description that will explain their predilection.. anything.. pls
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 09, 2012, 08:36:21 PM
I believe you live in England.  Have you ever met any English Royalty?  This is a legitimate question and an answer would help me answer your question.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 10, 2012, 12:13:13 AM
I believe you live in England.  Have you ever met any English Royalty?  This is a legitimate question and an answer would help me answer your question.
L E V I A T H A N

No.  And it is a hard concept for me to accept as well.  I've discovered in myself recently a strong dislike for a tradition where people who are incapable of changing a light bulb for instance should have so much entitlement conferred upon them only because of some old situation many years ago.  I actually find it pretty unreal maybe because I come from the states and I've not seen any of them stand up for higher standards for the people like they do for themselves.   
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 10, 2012, 07:51:24 PM
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No.  And it is a hard concept for me to accept as well.  I've discovered in myself recently a strong dislike for a tradition where people who are incapable of changing a light bulb for instance should have so much entitlement conferred upon them only because of some old situation many years ago.  I actually find it pretty unreal maybe because I come from the states and I've not seen any of them stand up for higher standards for the people like they do for themselves.   

OK, here is another question.  Have you ever lived in New England and met one of the ultra rich families that rule there.  Their wealth makes Bill Gates look like a pauper.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 10, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
Well yeah, Palm Beach & Newport RI, a bit of old money if that is what you mean?  But labels and monied people isn't the essence of what I'm asking you about. 
New England not even close to any family ruling there except for their A lists.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 10, 2012, 11:41:15 PM
Sorry,  :P  it is me asking you questions and I'm sorry for arguing with you..... I really would appreciate some degree of answers and ummm sorry for putting my opinions out pre-emptively!
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 11, 2012, 04:17:40 AM
I don't quite understand your answer to the last question, but you see how can I explain who "they" are if you don't have an idea of certain personalities.  Maybe you would agree that there are people who just like to know something others do not.  Lets say this adventure is true and planned and was a way of letting out to people some highly strange information.  Lets say that only a part of it was real and the rest was just to flesh out the story.  Certainly my part of it was not real.  Now suppose that powerful individuals took notice of this little story and had the ability to look into it from many angles.  You may know that many of the treasures of the world that disappeared in WWII are in very private collections where part of the delight of those who have them is that no one knows it except for other members of their club.  This Drone story seems to have stirred the interest of this type of person. Persons who have the means to pursue any possible method of finding the truth and this would be to have any information gained in their hands alone.  You will most likely not believe that I have been exposed to people such as I asked you about and in the very places I mentioned.  Very few believe that such personalities exist and to mention their traditional labels is to bring a planned disbelief upon the one who uses such labels and nullifies the whole idea.  There are two types of "they" in this story that I am aware of (excluding fools).  One is the "They" that knows or remembers something about the real event and the other "They" are those who want any unusual information that might benefit them alone and to be private unto them.  The second "They" are the ones I asked if you had met.  Now all this may not make any since to you and if so, so be it.  I think I mentioned to you once the "Black Mirror of Dr. John Dee" and those who borrow it from the British Museum.  If you jut don't like my answers , I suggest the safest and best place to nest on this subject is the "Humor/Ridicule Thread at UFOCB". The masters of that threat are mentioned above.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 11, 2012, 10:39:15 AM
Thank you for the details you gave.  I don't understand one thing about this off the top of my head and I'm sure there might be many more questions your answers raises in my mind. 

But right away I'm wondering, if these people who have the means of having collections like this would like to figure out the whole senerio, why are they not actively using the PI's or any other means they have to get this uncovered?
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 11, 2012, 09:38:28 PM
I feel sure they are and have already found what they want or will soon.  Their methods, that I observed, could be called "in-house".
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 12, 2012, 01:07:04 AM
What do their methods involve.   What is the purpose of this group.  Is there only one group or a sender / receiver group and maybe another group to ride it as a hoax?

Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 12, 2012, 02:10:49 AM
Basically they are families and interlocked families.  Their methods are anything you can imagine.  I new a family of 69 current family members here in the US, each had many, many millions and had been in the same business for 175 years.  Now just imagine England and the rest of Europe both west and east.  With unlimited funds you can go after anything you want.  The Drones, in my opinion, are coming down to two interesting events, the Big Basin Drone and the LAP and its inventory photo.  My guess is that they would be interested in any subject that can further their own agenda of protecting their wealth and increasing their ability to enjoy it.  Technology is one of those interests.  I have worked in England and New England and I changed my mind about how the world works from the experience.  I realized that some of these people border on what the average person would call insanity, but still they want it all and usually get it.  Why would they be interested in the UFO, paranormal, Drones, because it is novel and may contain an extra dose of power for them.  When I worked in England I was told that I MUST address some as "My Lord" or "Your Grace" or my services would not be required so I did exactly as I was told.  In New England it is the same types just without Titles.  To fully explain a connection of all this would require a book that would be denounced as fantasy.  The World, my dear, is a very different place then most believe and that fact is kept carefully hidden.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 13, 2012, 12:40:38 AM
Is this an educated guess you are making or do you have 1st hand knowledge of interest coming from any group, if so how many groups?
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 14, 2012, 03:27:53 PM
I am sure of one group, but they are much more than a group.  I place this out there not for belief, but for the future which comes quickly.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: EVS on February 14, 2012, 09:43:06 PM
I am sure of one group, but they are much more than a group.  I place this out there not for belief, but for the future which comes quickly.
L E V I A T H A N

Leviathan, can you please specify this...

Much appreciated,

EVS
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 14, 2012, 10:36:00 PM
Eisenhower said to beware the Military Industrial Complex, to that I add the ultra wealthy families of America and elsewhere.  I have worked for two such families.  I can not name them or others for reasons of personal security and legal obligations.  The Drones caused a stir among those who never use the internet for serious matters.  I don't know what else I can say and I have said this before.  I certainly can not take on these types.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 14, 2012, 10:52:11 PM
Eisenhower said to beware the Military Industrial Complex, to that I add the ultra wealthy families of America and elsewhere.  I have worked for two such families.  I can not name them or others for reasons of personal security and legal obligations.  The Drones caused a stir among those who never use the internet for serious matters.  I don't know what else I can say and I have said this before.  I certainly can not take on these types.
L E V I A T H A N

Your earlier quote said you were certain I think?  Are you aware first hand of others involved and why?

Can you explain if specifically there is interest and effort going on?
If so what kind and why?

I am sure of one group, but they are much more than a group.  I place this out there not for belief, but for the future which comes quickly.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 15, 2012, 02:25:51 AM
Yes there is a group,if that is the correct term, interested in the Drones.  People I know who are still close to those people say so.  I trust these people.  They look at the Drones as part of something bigger.  The why is simple, "POWER"
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: EVS on February 15, 2012, 03:55:48 AM
Yes there is a group,if that is the correct term, interested in the Drones.  People I know who are still close to those people say so.  I trust these people.  They look at the Drones as part of something bigger.  The why is simple, "POWER"
L E V I A T H A N

This "group" of yours, is it possible that this is the "Majestic Twelve" or MJ12...?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majestic_12)

I have to ask directly, as it bears all the similarities....

EVS
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 15, 2012, 04:58:18 AM
No they would not be subject to the Government calling them, but they are a shadow Government of sorts.  They are for themselves and the maintenance of their private standing through another 9 generations.  What I have seen of the world must be very different from most.  This group does not communicate directly with me at all.  I still have distant ties through friends.  These people want it all and believe that they are better equipped to have it all than the common person.  They just do not have titles, just the funds and to them that is sufficient.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: EVS on February 15, 2012, 05:08:32 AM
No they would not be subject to the Government calling them, but they are a shadow Government of sorts.  They are for themselves and the maintenance of their private standing through another 9 generations.  What I have seen of the world must be very different from most.  This group does not communicate directly with me at all.  I still have distant ties through friends.  These people want it all and believe that they are better equipped to have it all than the common person.  They just do not have titles, just the funds and to them that is sufficient.
L E V I A T H A N

So, you are Free Masons...or something like it...feel free to elaborate on this if you like to do so!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry)

Am I right?

Very good to know, and no hard feelings.. ;)

EVS
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 15, 2012, 02:35:33 PM
No not a Free Mason, I worked for these people and am bound by legalities not to reveal certain aspects of their business.  To do such could have consequences for me.  These are private individuals, members of two families who want all technical information first.  They are simply not bothered by governments.  I can understand you reluctance to accept that such ultra wealth exists, but it does and what they want they get.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 16, 2012, 01:57:50 AM
Lawrence Rockerfeller had an interest in UFO's, Prince Philip, married to the Queen, has a keen interest.  Curious if there are a lot of very wealthy and powerful people out there who would like to chase this up.  They usually refer to authority about matters and consolidate their influence.

But why?  Rich powerful families try to groom their kids, but it doesn't always work out the way they anticipate and usually within 3 generations there has been a degeneration or lack of interest or conflicts that will never be resolved.  Many of these rich people are luddites or incapable of changing a light bulb. 

One of the singular aspects of the drone saga is that you have to have an awareness of technology, computers, graphics, science etc. to even begin to appreciate the nuances to it.


I've spent time around a lot of very rich people (IBNA days.. working & living on their toys), Duponts, Armond Hammer, Rothschilds (Gitana) Turner, etc.. on and on.. and even here, some of my clients are beyond rich.. never seen anything wound up tight in life as you describe it, a lot of people not wound too tight to begin with, a lot of divergent ways of looking at things..

I used to be able to spend time talking with a senator when I was working on one yacht and I asked him abou this book I was reading :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captains_and_the_Kings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captains_and_the_Kings) by Taylor Caldwell, he told me that it was true.  He told me ndustrial giant familes groom their kids to continue on the family business, usually though politics.  As had happened with him and his family was in the oil business.

Lev, do the words Gemstone and Keys mean anything to you if you think back?


 
No not a Free Mason, I worked for these people and am bound by legalities not to reveal certain aspects of their business.  To do such could have consequences for me.  These are private individuals, members of two families who want all technical information first.  They are simply not bothered by governments.  I can understand you reluctance to accept that such ultra wealth exists, but it does and what they want they get.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 16, 2012, 02:01:02 AM
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...  These are private individuals, members of two families who want all technical information first.  ...
L E V I A T H A N

As with many cultures, there are differences in motivations. Translating or relating ideas between such cultures can be very difficult. Thank you Leviathan for being the go-between, of sorts, between these people you know and us.

To extend this example. I think it is very hard for us to imagine what motivations an alien culture might have, so instead we write stories about how they would be warring and have earthling-like motivations, it is the only way we can understand things.

So many times I have seen this case dismissed with statements like; "that's not how I would do things".

Just because we cannot understand it, does not mean it is fake.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 16, 2012, 04:37:26 AM
The two posts above are very good.  In England I was given access to many situations because I was American.  My English friends said that they never got the same privileges and that I got them because I was American.  The families that I worked far DO NOT WISH to be known.  Some are eccentric, but most smart and well educated with aspirations beyond normal means or understanding.  The American family has been doing the same thing for nine generations and the English family much longer.  What I experienced was strange to me and I have no explanation as to why they would talk so freely except I was of such little consequence in the grand scheme.  No Gemstone and Keys mean nothing to me.  I am sure Wizard's Glynn means nothing to you.  So my beliefs remain my beliefs and proof will not be coming and in away that should be proof.  I will continue to look into the matter of why some feel they are familiar with what is pictured in the Inventory Photo, but this is separate from what I suspect is going on at the level I once was privy to.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 17, 2012, 12:59:55 PM
What do you suspect is going on?

What discussions were you privey to?  Just describe the subjects, not the people if you feel more comfortable explaining that way.  Thanks
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 17, 2012, 03:00:56 PM
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What discussions were you privey to?  Just describe the subjects, not the people if you feel more comfortable explaining that way.  Thanks

I suspect in general, preparation for a coming change that will eventually encompass the entire world.

Discussions as to how to track people in very strange ways for the 1980s.  Megalomania at its finest.  No government controls it people, it is always someone behind the government and not answerable to any except themselves.  None of this is new and it is hidden in the open.  In a joking manner, I once mentioned the legend of the "9 Old Men" ( men who govern the world) the response was immediate and not pleasant.  They said: " people should not dwell on such myth for their own sakes".  They were all interested in the UFO subject, they said it was fun.  Can I explain all this, no.
L E V I A T H A N

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Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 17, 2012, 08:44:00 PM
You are talking Disney and Mormons here?   :)  ... but pls confirm & do continue.. either way fascinating

(I've always thought you had connections to the film industry in some way)
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 17, 2012, 11:42:15 PM
I never worked for Disney or Mormons.  The people I worked for would eat you alive.  You dance to their tune in England and I guarantee without them you would not have a pound to your name.  Its time to abandon this dialog so it is ended.
L E V I A T H A N
PS: Manny and Little Michael are calling.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 18, 2012, 12:03:22 AM
The reason why I mentioned the mormons was not to insult because it seems you took it that way, it was because they have been busy tagging families across the world for many decades now and were forerunners in maxing out database capabilities even before the government started to deploy them.

I would think you would know that..  As far as Disney goes, they worked with the government and have global influence and I thought possibly with the 9 old men metaphor it would be some connection to Disney.
But also Hammer Films too.. :)  Come on Lev, lighten up ! 
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 18, 2012, 05:12:42 AM
The Government does not rule these people anywhere, they rule the government.  Allowing Democracy and socialism to silence the mob.  Only study of Mormon belief will provide an answer for them.  Disney worked for the government who in turn carried out the wishes of others. This conversation is going nowhere and it won't.  Why don't you look at who really rules England and defy them then you will have your answer.  Also watch what happens to America and Europe and England over the next 5 years.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 18, 2012, 12:10:34 PM
Well.. I usually end up defying everyone, but nobody ever listens to little ol me..   :D 
Anyway, I did do some reseach on the richest families in the world last night and I'm guessing you are saying they control the money supply?  I kept wondering of this list of not known names of people who like to keep hidden which of them you were privy to...... 
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 18, 2012, 12:15:08 PM
  Also watch what happens to America and Europe and England over the next 5 years.
L E V I A T H A N

Most people would find that suggestion very disturbing.  There has been enough misery from lack of adequate needs to so many people already, I find it really somewhat heartless that others my find enjoyment in furthering the suffering of others.   Don't you?
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 18, 2012, 05:55:54 PM
So.. maybe you can indulge me a little bit more and tell me why anyone would find life worth while if they didn't substain and nourish the richness of the world they live in.  Well besides selfish aims and power, there still is the element that life's richness comes from life itself, not all the money in the world.  So.. maybe you can explain what motivations are behind this and the interest in the drones, etc.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 18, 2012, 09:37:12 PM
This is what I have learned:

Wealth is the first stage, gained for the family legitimately or by less than honorable means.
This wealth can produce an unending source, hidden here and there. Designed to sustain the family generation after generation.  This can soon become automatic and boring.

Power is the second stage. Power to control the destines of people and nations.  The wealth of course helps bring the power for the family.  After awhile even power becomes common place to such a family. They expect others to do as they are told and this even this can become a bore.

Worship is the third phase and the most rewarding for these types. They have become mythical near gods and goddesses in human form and who they control respond in worshipful ways, bowing to the meer mention of there masters name.  These are those who have received benefits, gifts, favors and in return think of their benefactors in all but a divine way.

Now as to why you seldom hear of these families.  It is because their wealth is defused, old, in countless trusts in many different lands. This tactic makes them much less noticeable especially since they abhor any publicity.  Their children are throughly trained in having a low profile.  If the rabble rouses, great gifts and benefits are given to quieten the herd and so it does.  None of this is new, just perfected by now.

Even if I gave the names, they would win by silence and knowing most humans can't believe. This would cause to much damage to their worldview and safe lives. They have no heart for cattle! My guess should be disturbing, but prove it yourself by observation.

The motivation is to have the world for themselves. I was told simply that the day that these types and their families could live in comfort  and safety through a nuclear war, WE WOULD HAVE ONE.  The Drones represent their predilection to knowing what is unknown in case it should benefit them and them alone.

I leave it to you to judge by your own experience and observation,

L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 18, 2012, 10:14:39 PM
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...  The Drones represent their predilection to knowing what is unknown in case it should benefit them and them alone.

This gives credence to another theory that the CARET case was presented, like a calling card, to get "someone's" attention, not necessarily the attention of the average amateur UFOlogist;
 "Hey, I know a secret, contact me".
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 19, 2012, 12:12:16 AM
Hmmmm... I appreciate your time and details you provided.  It does make sense most of what you say.  But what I can not understand is simply the mentality of some people who would prefer to live in a bunker complex rather than the real world. 

After a lot of nuclear bombs you are going to have only a bunker existance.. I think there is no avoiding that no matter how much technology develops in the next decade or so..
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 19, 2012, 12:36:35 AM
I am sure they meant a "contained" nuclear incident.  The family I worked for owned large tracks of land in Costa Rica and Belize.  They had people working for them on the preservation of their wealth for many, many years. 

They realized, when computers came along, they would need allies there.  Very wealthy ones, that had been allowed to join at a lesser level and it might even be that this membership was unknown to these or the help they received in their wealth accumulation. I can think of three individuals that were helped along with a guiding hand. A contingent of young technically minded family members even joined one company with no pay just company stock.

The nuclear event would have been controlled, by what means I do not know.

L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: onthefence on February 19, 2012, 12:40:05 AM
After a lot of nuclear bombs you are going to have only a bunker existance.. I think there is no avoiding that no matter how much technology develops in the next decade or so..
I've often wondered if a nuclear bomb attack would be so devastating to the entire planet. Many such bombs have already been exploded and we're still here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_warfare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_warfare)
"Nuclear weapons have been detonated on over two thousand occasions for testing purposes and demonstrations."

I'm certainly not wishing for that! But I do recall reading that if nuclear bombs were blindly used to eliminate OBL, they would be virtually ineffective because the Afghan mountains would shelter the blasts, and only a direct hit would be effective.

Hiding in a bunker for a few years might be enough to wait-out any blip in nuclear fallout from distant bombing.
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 19, 2012, 01:35:34 AM
What would be the purpose of a nuclear event from their standpoint?
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 19, 2012, 02:42:48 AM
To thin the herd, eliminate competition/enemies and a ritualistic cleansing of the planet.  There paper wealth would be reduced at least for the time.  Therefore their resources and power would be in a different form and under special law and places. They would be protected in new and old ways from whom ever was left and dared to oppose. As to bunkers, there are already new building materials of metal and glass and nanoscale materials. Also enhanced antimicrobial and virus material are at hand and growing. Expensive, but not beyond the means of some.  Going deep underground would not be necessary except for some utilities and communication systems.  There are also places known where little would really change except for an all out doomsday event. Transportation might be underground.  The main purpose for a nuclear event would be, after they were as safe as possible and as invisible as possible, to alter the entire world population and social order. Silly is it not. Humor and ridicule, the best cover for anything that is frightening. Little minds that will be insane after such an event. Don't kid yourself about the capacity of humankind to be evil, just look at history. The Drones may be looking back now at a time that was much more settled, our own time now.

L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 19, 2012, 05:07:05 AM
The main purpose for a nuclear event would be, after they were as safe as possible and as invisible as possible, to alter the entire world population and social order.

What advantage would there be to that?  I mean all of this is pure speculation and arrogant thinking on their part to assume that they will not be sealing their fates within "a sword for a sword" situation eventually.  Not only that but certain truisms remain..
Like.. if you had everything in the world where would you put it? 

Any family with strong educational values has, I would hope, a strong value for the humanities as well as science and the wonder that comes from both.. To destroy historic remains of mankind and nature is abominable, to destroy humanity is insane. 
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 19, 2012, 02:24:12 PM
Insanity is a key point, but they do not see it as insanity.  They do not see all humans as equals nor even as human. The same old thing as has raised its head throughout history.  They will make no assumptions until the absolute time is here to spring. These are capable of any thing in the name of their god ( lets leave that alone) and will feel protected whether they are or not. A type of solid state technology that is as close to flawless as possible, they believe, will be the answer and energy will be in place for them.  The Drone was IMHO a signal either real or fabricated from someone to someone. One of many. It has carefully been designed for certain things to be laughable to the general public as a cover. Technology, that one can not even mention the inventor except for reference to his eccentricities is at work. This camouflages the fact that somethings this gentleman said a long time ago, work and well. Strong educational values do not necessarily insure strong morals nor compassion. The wealth they will carry over will be very different from today, it will be a technological throwback to something like medieval times.  I agree  with what you say, but warn of its coming little by little.  My suggestion is to watch trends and subtle news and see if what I say seems to fit what unveils itself before your eyes. No proof of this can be provided, they have seen to that and while they are not infallible they come close because they play every possible side.

L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 20, 2012, 12:59:21 AM
Hmmm... there is a lot to be said for a non-stratified gene pool...  ;)
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 20, 2012, 01:31:13 PM
I think if history is an indicator of the future, your elites (btw.... you have no room to talk about my "friends" on UCB when you have a link to a network of people who are as you describe.. ! Seriously.. a little humor when they are plotting and planning something like your description is hardly a sin..)
Anyway.. back to the elites.. I think they will of course be foiled yet again, because things like this never work the way they are planned.  I mean look at John Dee.  He is dead.  Hate to say it, but everyone is dead.  Who ever gets conjured is dead.  Why can't people just get along..

Mars Attacks Why Can't We All Just Get Along.avi (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eWopfEJq48#ws)
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 20, 2012, 01:42:52 PM
With all the laboratories around the world working on matters of real consequence to humanity as well as "them", maybe they fund a lot of the research, but there is a wealth of sharing of information going on out there to make progress possible.  More so than ever. 

Wouldn't they prefer to live to be 200 yrs old in good health rather than destroy things?  Seems to me, people who have this much education as resources would be wise and enlightened.. ?
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: The Leviathan on February 20, 2012, 05:21:21 PM
I never said these people were My friends. You need not lecture me on UFOC. I am still there and keep abreast of their vile and programmed ways. I have the inteligence to be aware of my enimies, if such are your friends then that says much. The people I speak of are also aware and have been for a long time of the use of disguised humor and now I help at UFOC.
I will reframe with posting information on these people for your friends have enough to keep them busy and away from the truth anymore I have to say will be by PM on this subject. Enjoy your friends, for I am there too.
L E V I A T H A N
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 20, 2012, 07:25:15 PM
Lev, Lev, Lev, don't worry dear... Don't Panic!...
(trying to think of English cliches.. for your amusement now..  :) )

Look, I never said they were my friends, I said they were my "friends".
Why would you say that these people are aware of you being aware of them poking fun at things when the people who you are aware of are trying to bring the 7 horsemen or something like that..

I just don't get it.  Nobody doesn't like you. Well maybe a few.. I know some people don't like me either.. I know as unbelievable as it sounds.. not everyone is going to like us and nobody is your enemy anymore than mine.. except me  ;D  I'm always out to get you  :-*
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: tomi on February 20, 2012, 07:31:02 PM
Please tell me why "enemies" come into play here.  Nobody I know would ever want to harm you and I think most think of you as part of the rich tapestry of the drones.. 
Title: Re: On the "Letters" or "Characters" Seen On The Drones
Post by: TimeTraveler33 on July 09, 2013, 05:35:24 AM
Today I was inspired by the concept of the Epcot Disneyland style city and found this YouTube video of glyphs that look similar to the Chad drone writings.

YouTube popsong1
"Fourth of July at Epcot 2013 Walt Disney World "
Published 6 July 2013
(Epoct glyphs at time code 56 seconds)
http://youtu.be/iddmBIadEU0?t=56s (http://youtu.be/iddmBIadEU0?t=56s)


(http://i.imgur.com/4veS4Nm.png)


I believe the writing at Epcot may be evidence that the designers of the drone decided to leave evidence of time travel technology from the drone. Perhaps the drone is from the future and from the 1980's for us to rediscover from the Isaac CARET documents in the Internet Era.