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General discussion / Re: Is anyone still here?
« Last post by Ipsy on March 27, 2019, 11:26:58 PM »
Thanks for the link. I was actually just perusing the images and I do recall seeing this before. The similarities are certainly remarkable, very very uncanny if it were a coincidence.

I don't want to sound like one of those people that is trying too hard to convince their self of the objectivity they WANT to believe. Because what I actually want is to gain enough insight or discover that one piece of evidence that undeniably confirms the truth on either side of the fence. I'd rather know for certain that it was all fake, than perpetually hang on to a belief that it might be real.

But having said that, as impressively similar as the Empire State Building artwork is to the LAP diagrams and markings in the drone photos, it isn't an exact duplication. None of the shapes are precisely identical. The ESB artwork clearly has a strong art-deco style that is not present in the drone articles. If the person responsible for the drone/LAP drawings were inspired by the ESB artwork, they still had to painstakingly recreate it, so why would they deliberately make it so similar? Perhaps that is a clue to a possible hoaxer's motivation.

Or, if the restoration of the ESB artwork is faithful to the original, perhaps the original artist was a witness to the drones pre 1930s, and the ESB artwork may have been inspired by the drones. Who knows? I'm not trying to justify or debunk the similarities in the artwork. They are definitely remarkable. I'm just trying to present an alternate perspective.

As I said before, I don't necessarily want to know that the drone mystery is all true, I just want to know what the truth IS, regardless of whether it's real or fake.
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General discussion / Re: Is anyone still here?
« Last post by onthefence on March 27, 2019, 10:44:02 PM »
Thank you for your comments and reminders.

Here is the Empire State building information found on 2017-03-18:
  https://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=880.msg10098#msg10098
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General discussion / Re: Is anyone still here?
« Last post by Ipsy on March 27, 2019, 10:23:25 PM »
I still believe there is more to it than was ever uncovered by all who have investigated. The sheer depth of the details, the discovered locations, the amount of effort that would have been necessary to fake the whole thing (and to what end?). It seems like a real event. The surface was scratched but every lead was a dead end. Out of all the evidence, and this case has orders of magnitude more clear evidence, photos, witnesses, testimony, and PHD level analysis of evidence in many instances than most ufo events, nothing to my knowledge was ever discovered that could clearly determine it to be a hoax.

The photos alone are good enough to give me serious pause. I'm a photography and digital imaging professional and absolutely none of the refutation of the photos by other so called digital photo experts was close to good enough for me. Remember smartphones didn't exist in 2007 (the first iPhone didn't come out until late 2007) and digital photography and computer imaging technologies were quiet different than they are now. The analysis of the Ty photos showed an almost imperceptible amount of barrel distortion across the entire photo which would have increased the difficulty of producing such an image with cgi and yet added almost nothing to photo quality.

I'm not aware of the Empire State Bldg artwork, or I've forgot it's significance. I will look into that.

I feel like the raj sighting, which I believe was the last photo witness, followed by the Isaac testimony and materials might hold a clue.

I still toss around a number of theories about it all, but one is that the first few photo witnesses may have been authentic, but Isaac (and possibly raj) were somehow fabricated, perhaps with real photos and some real information, with the intent to water down or distract from the original real witnesses. Of course I can't put it all together in my mind how or exactly why they might do this, but it's an interesting theory to me. Assuming these machines are real, whoever is in charge of keeping a lid on it all may have quickly implemented a plan to silence or hide the original witnesses, inject Isaac into the story as a way to control the narrative, and misdirect away from any real truth about the project. I believe Isaacs photos are real, but his story may not be.

Regardless, this mystery has been one that I've never been able to shake. It's just so deep. Even if the truth is not what it was presented to be, whatever the underlying story really is must be at least as interesting as what we do know. There must be much much more to this than one or a few people perpetrating a hoax. Even if that's what the truth is, it would be such a tremendously successful hoax, that alone would be a fascinating story if said hoaxer(s) ever came forward with proof and an explanation.

I guess this will haunt me for the rest of my days if nothing more ever comes of it.
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General discussion / Re: Is anyone still here?
« Last post by onthefence on March 27, 2019, 06:28:51 PM »
Still watching, but my thoughts are completely different than before. I had hopes that it might be real and tried to be impartial and give "witnesses" the opportunity to prove their point. In the end, all we have is people that say "I know what I saw", and from the beginning, Isaac/raj/etc providing artwork from the Empire state building (circa 1930) as if it was alien control panels.

Sure would be nice to hear from "Isaac/Raj" about the real reason the did this, or see the remaining high def photos that LMH thinks will ensure the validity on the case.

Fun for the imagination though!
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General discussion / Is anyone still here?
« Last post by Ipsy on March 27, 2019, 05:05:22 PM »
Twelve years after the event, this mystery continues to occupy my curiosity. Does anyone else still follow it, think about it? Anyone keeping an eye out for new clues that might shed fresh light on this old subject? Anyone watching this group?
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General discussion / Re: Tom Delonge Hal Puthoff and the Drones...
« Last post by tomi on July 21, 2018, 08:06:09 AM »
Here is the link where Tom Delonge posted a picture of the A1 unit on Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BJHO0GDg2Aj/?taken-by=tomdelonge

I'm pretty sure I remember when I saw this a while ago that he had said "it is real".  I may be mistaken or else he may have changed his caption.  But he says here now "from somewhere else".
Ambiguous enough that could mean anything.
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General discussion / Tom Delonge Hal Puthoff and the Drones...
« Last post by tomi on July 18, 2018, 09:10:28 PM »
dpo.tothestarsacademy.com/blog/dr-hal-puthoff-addresses-the-society-for-scientific-exploration

This was just released by TTSA and written by Hal Puthoff:

'It began in June of 2007. The Defense Intelligence Agency was concerned about the fact that obvious observation had shown that Advanced Aerospace Vehicles ? crafts, or drones of unknown origin, were flying all over the United States, over waters, in fact globally as was the case. '

Tom Delonge posted a picture of the AI device a month or so ago and said.. "guess what, it's real" as his only caption?  He did this on his Instagram account.

Wow...
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Since the New York Times first broke and published the story/video, I'll assume that their video is the closest to 1st generation, i.e. the least amount of compression/degradation.

Here is that unaltered video [Look at That Thing!รข?? U.S. Navy Jet Encounters Unknown Object.mp4 20.1 MB].  Although, this is not the exact same version they published yesterday, it has been annotated at some point in the past 24 hours to correct mistakes in the transcription of the pilots conversations.

Here's a .gif I made of what I thought was the more interesting part of the video:

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From The Hill link:
"According to a New York Times report, the $22 million Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program began in 2007 and was funded primarily at the request of former Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who has long had an interest in the topic."

I wonder what happened in 2007 to prompt this sort of funding.

Hmmmm, I wonder.  ;)

I'm curious to know if Luis Elizondo, the guy who ran the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program and who is now Director of Global Security & Special Programs at To The Stars Academy of Arts & Science is aware of the 2007 California drones?

I sent him an email.  I'll provide any updates here if I hear back from him.



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From The Hill link:
"According to a New York Times report, the $22 million Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program began in 2007 and was funded primarily at the request of former Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.), who has long had an interest in the topic."

I wonder what happened in 2007 to prompt this sort of funding.
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