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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« on: December 31, 2008, 10:42:56 PM »
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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2008, 11:02:52 PM »
Apartment reference list:
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonLayout.jpg

The first pictures that Tom took on December 29. Here is the updated list:

http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/ThePoleFound001.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/ThePoleFound002.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/ThePoleFound003.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/ThePoleFound004.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/ThePoleFound005.jpg Business located directly across the street from the pole
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/ThePoleFound006.jpg Business located across the street and to the east.
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/ThePoleFound007.jpg Further east down the street.  I am standing in front of The Pole.
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/ThePoleFound008.jpg The Pole is to the right or west of picture.
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/ThePoleFound009.jpg Picture of The Pole from across the street.
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/ThePoleFound010.jpg Picture of the pole from driveway which runs south off Kennedy
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/ThePoleFound011.jpg Picture of across the street from The Pole to the west, notice the residential houses.
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/ThePoleFound012.jpg Picture (zoomed in) east of pole down the street.  Similar to #15


Here is the summary of photos taken on 2008-12-30 of the Campbell area:

Reference map for the apartment building blocks:
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/Campbell3.jpg

Possible tree in PICT18
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0441.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0442.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0443.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0444.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0445.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0446.JPG

building #4 east/end
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0437.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0438.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0439.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0440.JPG

building # 1 from second story, west/End
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0435.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0436.JPG

Out-building pitch of the roof line
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0434.JPG


The different spout positions:
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0431.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0432.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0433.JPG

2nd pole in the Raji streetlight pic, confirms
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0429.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0430.JPG


Business on the south/side of Kennedy ave. I have the address also if 
needed....
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0412.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0413.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0414.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0415.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0416.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0417.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0418.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0419.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0420.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0421.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0422.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0423.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0424.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0425.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0426.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0427.JPG

The pole
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0409.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0410.JPG

Downspouts Site #3 Avalon apts 114-317
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments055.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments056.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments057.jpg

Site #1 downspout pictures Avalon apts
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments058.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments059.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments060.jpg

Site #1
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments061.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments062.jpg

Site #2 - apts 134-337 Avalon Apts
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments063.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments064.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments065.jpg

Apts 158 -361
Site #4, we think the trees are close to Raji Photo #13
Total picture of this site are from #66 - #72, some from second balcony
Picture #68 shows cut tree (could have been taller)
Photo could have been taken from apt #259 (second level) or #359 (third
level)
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments066.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments067.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments068.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments069.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments070.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments071.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments072.jpg

Pictures of site #5#6
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments073.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments074.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments075.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments076.jpg

Pictures from rear of complex (northwest) similar to Raji #18
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments077.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments078.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments079.jpg

Street light and The Pole east on Kennedy
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments001.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments002.jpg

Pictures #3 through #12 show the north side of Kennedy (Frank did the
south side)  includes residences, businesses.  Also wrote down license
numbers of all vehicles parked on street.
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments003.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments004.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments005.jpg

North side of Kennedy
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments006.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments007.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments008.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments009.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments010.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments011.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments012.jpg

General pictures of apts, telephone pole and street light
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments013.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments014.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments015.jpg

The Pole and street light
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments016.jpg

Frank getting direction from 10538, thanks 10538, would be lost without you.
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments017.jpg

Picture of the apts and down spouts
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments018.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments019.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments020.jpg

Down spouts and trees.
Down spout from utility building fits description of one in Raji photo
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments021.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments022.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments023.jpg

Down spouts building 512, 506
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments024.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments025.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments026.jpg

Down spouts
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments027.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments028.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments029.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments030.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments031.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments032.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments033.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments034.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments035.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments036.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments037.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments038.jpg

Avalon apts
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments039.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments040.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments041.jpg

Misc pictures of Kennedy Av, street light, telephone pole
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments042.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments043.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments044.jpg

Misc pictures of Kennedy Av, street lamp and pole
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments045.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments046.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments047.jpg

This is the pole and Raji (played by Frank) standing in the position
where picture was taken
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments048.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments049.jpg

Pictures of the park and view from the trailer park to rear of Avalon
apartments.  Could not see a path.
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments050.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments051.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments052.jpg

Pictures of Timber Cove Trailer Park
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments053.jpg
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/AvalonCampbellApartments054.jpg

Pictures from 2009-01-02 Building 506, s/w corner
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0447.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0448.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0449.JPG

Building 510 ( 10538's building # 2 )
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0450.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0451.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0452.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0453.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0454.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0455.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0456.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0457.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0458.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0459.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0460.JPG

Drain measurements
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0461.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0462.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0463.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0464.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0465.JPG

Building  512 or 10538's # 4
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0466.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0467.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0468.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0469.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0470.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0471.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0472.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0473.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0474.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0475.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0476.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0477.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0478.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0479.JPG

Building 512 ( 10538's building # 4) 481, the balconies in the units, view off to the  east.............
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0481.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0482.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0483.JPG

Building 512 ( 10538's building # 4) but probably building 522 as seen in one of these photos
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0484.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0485.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0487.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0488.JPG

Okay, we think this is a real good possibility for the location that raji's  photo 18 was taken..Don't let the tree without leaves in front of the tree on  the left influence you. It is angles with that  tree...
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0489.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0490.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0491.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0492.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0493.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0494.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0495.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0496.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0497.JPG

Building 528, s/w corner, looking east, we feel this is a strong  possibility for 13 & 14 location
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0498.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0499.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0500.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0501.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0502.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0503.JPG

Building 528, s/w corner, 13 & 14 location
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0504.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0505.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0506.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0507.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0508.JPG

Building 528, s/w corner, 13 & 14 location...Where Tom is standing is  where all these were taken from...
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0509.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0510.JPG
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DSCN0511.JPG
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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2008, 11:35:42 PM »
I have problems with #409 and #410..."not found"
Its the pole.   same result in the email

Also, I didnt get to hear if Frank and Tom could check numbers with binoculars ?

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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2008, 11:47:26 PM »
I have problems with #409 and #410..."not found"
Its the pole.   same result in the email

Also, I didnt get to hear if Frank and Tom could check numbers with binoculars ?

Fixed now, I forgot to upload them.

What numbers did you want to know about?

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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2008, 11:50:33 PM »
Diouf is asking if the PI's could confirm the D-103,
or just the last number 3, as of yesterday..
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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2008, 11:55:30 PM »
Diouf is asking if the PI's could confirm the D-103,
or just the last number 3, as of yesterday..

Frank told me on the phone it says "6103"


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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2008, 11:57:54 PM »
Ah Thanks! for Pole number,
and thank you OTF.
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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2009, 12:14:34 AM »
Seems more likely "5103" to me.
Anyway, I was right about the three last numbers... ;D
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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2009, 12:25:19 AM »
speculation on camera locations with drone to rough photo matching scale:



on closer inspection building number 2 seems to be the closest match to what i have going in 3d.


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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2009, 12:34:03 AM »
on closer inspection building number 2 seems to be the closest match to what i have going in 3d.

I also like building two.  I'd really like to see your analysis as to why though. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2009, 01:01:40 AM »
because these 2 yellow angles are the closest match between the 3d simulation results and the actual satellite image of the buildings.


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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #11 on: January 01, 2009, 02:15:49 AM »
wait a sec, wait a sec.
the last 2 images i posted i worked with north incorrectly positioned.
disregard them and the speculation.  i need to re-align north in my 3d scene before i can say
which building.

i'm giving myself the rest of the night off!

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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #12 on: January 01, 2009, 02:23:17 AM »
Thanks Spf, welcome aboard and happy new year too!! :D
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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #13 on: January 01, 2009, 02:57:10 PM »
To answer your questions. The missing photo's not sent on to were personal shots we took of each other ( at the pole ) and pic's that either were duplicates or didn't turn out clearly....

The first observation I made when I first saw the pole in person was how clearly I could see the numbers from across the street. In pic # 406 you can clearly see the numbers and I was taking the photo to show the top of the pole.

We talked to "numbers" personally on the phone and told him we had a 100% ID on both of the poles and the number. Should have made tha clear in the SKYPE yesterday. 

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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2009, 05:36:17 PM »
The possibility that PICT13/14 where taken from a balcony first before running to PICT15 (pole shot) would mean that "raj" likely jumped over the balcony or ran through the house out the door.

From these floor plans, here are the possible exit paths towards PICT15. I scaled all apartment images to equal sizing.



It seems to me that either jumping over first floor balcony or being on the ground already are the most likely possibilities. However, running fast from a second floor balcony through the apartment could be possible, 42 seconds is longer than you might think.

If it turns out that PICT13/14 was shot from the ground, then we have a lot less to go on with respect to tracing "Raj".