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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #90 on: January 07, 2009, 11:46:22 PM »
Hmm, lets make the assumption these are all composite pictures, a question that keeps coming back to me with this location, why here  ??? .
I mean, why should someone take a semi closed living area like this complex for a photo shoot (out of all places), why take the risk to get asked for what he is doing over there in a community of people for who I think know each other very well.

The PI's and 10538 got the question to stop taking pictures.

So either real or hoax, I think this person is a known person over there.
       
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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #91 on: January 08, 2009, 12:00:04 AM »
Good questions HPO,
If real, then Raj saw no prob. to take shoots in spite of the risks (like Chad did it in a private property)
If hoax, then the hoaxer is not too far....IMO.
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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #92 on: January 08, 2009, 03:28:54 AM »
Here are the links to the pics I took.  I took 49 with the Dimage and a bunch more with my Fuji.

http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/DimageX_2009_0107/
http://droneteam.com/history/raj/location/Fuji_2009_0107/

No doubt about bldg 528.  Has to be by process of elimination.



Notice how the top branches line up perfectly?

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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #93 on: January 08, 2009, 04:44:02 AM »
Here are the exact spots where the Raj picts were taken.




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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #94 on: January 08, 2009, 09:40:49 AM »
Excellent job, numbers! :)
You were right about the downspout on building #528, seems like perfect match from your angle!

But I'm afraid now we have yet another indication that Raj wasn't using a Minolta Dimage X:


There was still some room for you to zoom out, but even so Minolta Dimage X would have to be some 14% further away from the crossbar (towards the ground, or street level in this case) to produce similar (but not the same, due to perspective change!) image to Raj's PICT0016. Btw, there would be no problems in reproducing Raj's image FoV i.e. with Canon EOS350D by using a default 18-55mm lens (63-22° FoV).
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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #95 on: January 08, 2009, 03:10:11 PM »
At this point, I suggest that we lock this 7 pages Thread,
(supposed to be added later to the already public one)
and start new ones :
- Raj could make the run
- Raj could not have make it
whatever the titles should be...
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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #96 on: January 08, 2009, 05:21:19 PM »
Neki, looking to your image I keep thinking to myself....
What if Raj is a kid?
Could you tell, based in Numbers shot height (if he can tell us), how tall would have to be the kid to take that picture?
(disregarding the Fov issues)

And it's easy to me to imagine a kid, with his bike, (lying about the dinner with his fiancee) going the way between #14 and #15 in 43 secs.

Whoooooo

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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #97 on: January 08, 2009, 05:50:53 PM »
Neki, looking to your image I keep thinking to myself....
What if Raj is a kid?
Could you tell, based in Numbers shot height (if he can tell us), how tall would have to be the kid to take that picture?

Well, let me put it this way: see this blue line? It's exactly 14% longer than red one. :)



Btw, those perspective problems I was talking about in my previous post are best described with this (dolly or vertigo zoom effect):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y48R6-iIYHs

Using cameras with different FoV is like stopping at various stages of this effect - which is btw. created by changing FoV (zooming) while moving the camera at the same time in a way that the front plane objects keep same size and position. Obviously, you can't align such images to fit...

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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #98 on: January 08, 2009, 06:07:33 PM »
Could you tell, based in Numbers shot height (if he can tell us), how tall would have to be the kid to take that picture?
(disregarding the Fov issues)

I'm 5' 8" if that helps.  For the over head shots such as 16/17 the camera is held about a foot over my head.

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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #99 on: January 08, 2009, 06:41:24 PM »
Well, let me put it this way: see this blue line? It's exactly 14% longer than red one. :)

Not sure if I understand the issue but one thing that became apparent while trying to duplicate the Raj pics with the DimageX, Raj did use the zoom for some of them.  But you probably already know that from the exif on the DimageX pics I took.


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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #100 on: January 09, 2009, 02:10:33 AM »
Lol!
So Raj would have be a 10 yrs old kid? ;D
Just kidding...
But that shot was a zoomed one right? Number took some pictures that were not zoomed, have you tried the same process with them?

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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #101 on: January 09, 2009, 04:08:19 AM »
Here are the leaves from the Pict 13/14 trees. 



Went through the leaf finder on the web.  It said it was an Eastern Cottonwood.  http://www.cirrusimage.com/tree_eastern_cottonwood.htm

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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #102 on: January 09, 2009, 10:00:37 AM »
Lol!
So Raj would have be a 10 yrs old kid? ;D
Just kidding...
But that shot was a zoomed one right? Number took some pictures that were not zoomed, have you tried the same process with them?

Regards
Ark

Actually, only the pole was shot wide-angle and the rest are all zoomed, including pic15. There are also some other clues Dimage X wasn't used except for FoV, i.e. overexposed reflections on insulators, overall sharpness, vignetting, etc... all common problems for Dimage X, but not present in Raj's images.

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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #103 on: January 09, 2009, 02:09:47 PM »

Wow !
Outstanding, awesome work !
Everyone got applauded.

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Re: Avalon apartments analysis
« Reply #104 on: January 09, 2009, 02:47:06 PM »
Actually, only the pole was shot wide-angle and the rest are all zoomed, including pic15.

pic15 i've definitely had problems camera matching in 3ds max probably due to the zoom.

however, are you sure pic13\14 are zoomed with a different fov?

13\14 seem to align pretty good for camera matching in 3ds max using the same camera settings from pic16 - image sensor 5.27mm, 5mm lens and 55.578° fov.