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Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« on: December 22, 2010, 07:50:05 am »
I decided to repost these Lazar videos.  Make your own mind as to his credibility.

Zeta Reticuli Aliens: Robert Lazar 1 of 4


UFOs & Area 51: The Bob Lazar Video - Alien Technology


I don't think that Mr. Friedman has looked deeply into Lazar's whole history.  He comes to his conclusion by only looking at the surface.
Ref:
http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=1997.12.15
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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2010, 10:51:03 pm »
This 1991, 40 minute video details Lazar's information that he read in the US Government UFO/Alien Briefing books that were in the briefing room at S-4 in 1988. Riveting to watch. Who the aliens are, where they're from, etc.

UFOs & Area 51: The Bob Lazar Video - Alien Technology


Thanks for that video link Douglas.

The whole thing fascinated me, especially these two "CARET" related items:

Strange writing mentioned at the 27:22 mark
"At one point in time when the disk was energized, one of the archways became transparent and you could see the area outside of it just if the archway was a window. After the panel had been transparent for a while, a form of writing which was unlike alphabetic scientific or mathematical symbols I had ever seen began to appear on the transparent archway, and I was never informed as to how all of this was achieved."


Invisibility mode mentioned at 31.36 mark:
"When gravity field is on ... the disk can't be seen from any vantage point , and for all practical purposes is invisible. "
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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2010, 01:38:47 am »
Here's Bob's own comments on his background and address to the skeptics. People associate Bob with John Lear who has some way-out there opinions... yet clearly Bob is more reserved than John.  His limited relationship with John becomes clear in this video. Scientists too can have healthy, humourous friendships with people - all types of people with all types of opinions ;)

Area 51 Revisited Part 2 - Bob Lazar at C2C 15th nov 2009


Listen to Bob speak throughout these videos- he is clearly technically minded. Global disinfo campaigns don't happen? BS! Look at the shit thrown at Julian Assange. Imagine what would happen to him if he tried to speak out 20 years ago and had no means such as the internet to easily distribute his message and the evidence wasn't handed to him on a CD.

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Now, to my knowledge, the Ununpentium 115 isotope described by Bob has not yet been synthesised. Skeptics suggest this indicates Bob's claims are false.
Listen to Bob's comments here:
Area 51 Revisited Part 6 - Bob Lazar at C2C 15th nov 2009


Wrong. The scientific case for his claim regarding this element is still out and more substantial experiment, material testing and analysis will be required.

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.c....ead=5137&page=1

For more background, there is a balanced write upof element 115 here:
'Element 115 also falls in the center of the theoretical island of stability. The most stable isotope of ununpentium is predicted to be Uup-299, containing the theorized "magic number" of 184 neutrons. The most neutron rich isotope to date is Uup-288, which contains only 173 neutrons...
There is much debate regarding the possibility of a stable isotope of element 115. The element is expected to lie within the island of stability and recent results have confirmed its existence (see ununquadium). The recent synthesis of two isotopes of ununpentium has been taken to suggest that the existence of a stable isotope is unlikely. However, many critics fail to appreciate the nature of closed magic shells. In particular, most people focus solely on the much-talked-about N=184 shell. It should be pointed out that this is not the only closed magic neutron shell. Calculations have indicated a closed deformed magic shell at N=196 and a spherical closed shell at N=228. '
http://en.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/42248

One should be aware of the statistical / probabilistic limitations of heavy nucleon experiment wrt to confirmation and refinement of theoretical models and related calculations/ predictions as to islands of stability. With these aspects in mind, my statement above in terms of 'the case is still out' for Uup115 are valid.

'...a sufficiently stable isotope is not known at this time that would allow chemical experiments to confirm its position. It was first observed in 2003 and only about 30 atoms of ununpentium have been synthesized to date, with just 4 direct decays of the parent element having been detected. Four consecutive isotopes are currently known, 287-290Uup, with 289Uup having the longest measured half-life of ~220 ms, although the isotope 290Uup may well have an even longer half-life (only a single decay has been measured leading to poor accuracy).'
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ununpentium

Interestingly for Element 115 (=the number of protons), an up-to-date view of the island of stability from the American Physical Society is shown here:
http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/hires/six-new-isotopes.jpg
http://physics.aps.org/view_image/3539/large/1
http://cdn.physorg.com/newman/gfx/news/hires/nuclearmissi.jpg
http://physics.aps.org/viewpoint-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.104.142502

Here are some other articles of interest:
'Discovery could challenge established theory of the nucleus'
http://www.physorg.com/news202020721.html
http://www.physorg.com/news199711994.html

'Six new isotopes of the superheavy elements discovered
Information gained from the new isotopes will contribute to a better understanding of the theory of nuclear shell structure, which underlies predictions of an "Island of Stability," a group of long-lasting isotopes thought to exist amidst a sea of much shorter-lived, intrinsically unstable isotopes of the superheavy elements...

Ellison says, "In the grand scheme, the theoretical predictions were pretty good" when the actual measurements were compared to the decay properties predicted by modern nuclear models. "But there were small-scale interesting differences."

In particular, the heaviest new isotopes, those of 114 and copernicium, showed smaller energies associated with the alpha decay than theory predicts. These discrepancies can be used to refine the theoretical models used to predict the stability of the superheavy elements.

As Gregorich puts it, "our new isotopes are on the western shore of the Island of Stability"—the shore that's less stable, not more. Yet the discovery of six new isotopes, reaching in an unbroken chain of decays from element 114 down to rutherfordium, is a major step toward better understanding the theory underlying exploration of the region of enhanced stability that is thought to lie in the vicinity of element 114—and possibly beyond.'

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-10-isotopes-superheavy-elements.html

Nuclear missing link created at last: Superheavy element 117 (Update)
...The experiment produced six atoms of element 117. For each atom, the team observed the alpha decay from element 117 to 115 to 113 and so on ...
http://www.physorg.com/news189797683.html

More related information:
http://www.scidacreview.org/0704/html/unedf.html
http://www.scidacreview.org/0704/html/unedf1.html
http://www.phys.utk.edu/news/2010/physics-teacher-09-17-2010.pdf
In our solar system, the superheavy elements lie in a difficult, hard-to-reach realm - created only through experimental synthesis, being subject to a good degree of uncertainty. Great insights have already been made... and perhaps, there are more to come.
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Refer to Bob's claims on thermoelectric conversion in the alien craft, post the antimatter reaction process. This article on scientific developments related to thermoelectric conversion may be of interest:
http://www.physorg.com/news177761180.html
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Other pieces of information:
At approximately 4.40min into this (2009) interview Bob Lazar makes brief reference to a 'geo-organ' as described into an alleged MJ-12 Roswell autopsy document which can be read at:
http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ef&thread=8972&page=1

In Ed Fouche's (1998) book, Alien Rapture, there are two separate MJ-12 documents which have not been seen elsewhere and are not available at majesticdocuments.com

The first of these is apparently part of the missing "Attachment D" first referenced in the Eisenhower Briefing Document. It is entitled "OPERATION MAJESTIC 12 PRELIMINARY ANALYTICAL REPORT, ATTACHMENT D, PART B, Section 3, Preliminary Autopsy of Extraterrestrial Biological Entity (s)" It is dated 5th July 1947 and purports to have been authored by Dr. Detlev Bronk at Roswell AAFB.

Read more: http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=ef&thread=8972&page=1#ixzz18t907Aut

Area 51 Revisited Part 12 - Bob Lazar at C2C 15th nov 2009


It would be interesting to know if Bob made this claim prior to 1997/1998 (he first went public in 1989). Did Bob make the claim prior to public release of Ed's Alien Rapture? I believe Col. Corso also made reference to a 'geo organ' in his 1997 book 'The Day After Roswell'. One to look into...


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OTF's recent post raises the mathematical symbols seen by Bob Lazar. Given also his geo-organ comments, I wonder if there is a strong link to Roswell. I have previously noted the CARET LAP symbol similarity to the Roswell symbols described by Jesse Marcel Jr. I posted this on OMF:

Together with my comparison to the hydrogen wavefunctions and electron cloud patterns modelled in physics, there appears to be a very strong similarity between the CARET symbols and the Roswell I-beam symbols drawn and demonstrated by Jesse Marcel Jr.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/beams_symbols_compare.html

Now watch the video report on Discovery Science: The World's Strangest UFO Stories. Roswell

Take particular note of part 2 and part 3 of this video below. It gives the witness account of M.D. Jesse Marcel Junior and his statements on the Roswell debris and the I-beam symbols discovered by his father in 1947. Stanton Friedman interviewed Major Jesse Marcel Senior as part of his Roswell investigation.

PART I
[DSC] WSUS - Roswell The Truth-1.avi


PART II
[DSC] WSUS - Roswell The Truth-2.avi


PART III
[DSC] WSUS - Roswell The Truth-3.avi


PART IV
[DSC] WSUS - Roswell The Truth-4.avi


PART V
[DSC] WSUS - Roswell The Truth-5.avi


In the same video, part 3, Dave Thomas reiterates USAF claims regarding Project Mogul that the funny symbols on the Roswell 'weather balloon' were actually scotch tape inlaid with symbols used for a certain type of toy. However Jesse Marcel Junior refutes the USAF claims and states that these symbols are NOT the same. Jesse shows his reproduction of the Roswell I-beam symbols. Beware the disinformation and fake symbols out there on the internet regarding these symbols. (See part 3 of the videos above, 6.10min onwards)

Jesse Marcel Jr's affadavit of the Roswell I-beam symbols is available online.
[Source: Karl Pflock, Roswell in Perspective, 1994.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/beams_symbols_compare.html
http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Marcel_Jr.html

More investigation brings up the claim that Jesse Marcel originally drew these symbols from memory on Sunday, July 6, 1947 after seeing the Roswell material presented by his father and he later made another rendition in 1989.

We'd have to ask Jesse Marcel Jr to verify the date that he first drew these symbols, but from the video above and the symbols shown in his affadavit, it's clear there is a strong match of the CARET symbols to his Roswell I-beam symbols.

More interesting reading here from Jesse Marcel Sr and other Roswell witnesses: 'The figures were composed of curved geometric shapes...' :o
http://www.sunrisepage.com/roswell/witnesses.pdf
and here
http://www.sunrisepage.com/roswell/roswell.htm

Just a reminder of that technological gift - Roswell:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell_UFO_Incident
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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2010, 05:45:12 pm »
I decided to remove these Lazar videos.  His credibility is under reconsideration at this time.

Ref:
http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=1997.12.15


This one is a bit longer read, but just as important (IMO) if you want to know more:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070102072750/www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/synopsis.htm
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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2010, 07:29:53 pm »
I decided to remove these Lazar videos.  His credibility is under reconsideration at this time.

Ref:
http://www.stantonfriedman.com/index.php?ptp=articles&fdt=1997.12.15


This one is a bit longer read, but just as important (IMO) if you want to know more:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070102072750/www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/synopsis.htm


I was aware of that website you ref. but I had not read that entry.  I now have and realize that the BL story is very complicated. 

I believe that BL padded his resume a bit and it's likely that he did some work at S-4.  Once BL padded his resume he has had to stick to the story.
 
The Teller reference probably carried too much weight with his S-4 employer.  They probably regret it now.

The events before and after the infamous Wed. night forays read true and very interesting.  Typical security stuff.

The Mariani connection is key to the BL story.

Thanks "A." for the update.  More to follow.

Douglas
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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2010, 02:07:53 am »
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UFOs & Area 51: The Bob Lazar Video - Alien Technology


Also in this video, an interesting concept of when to expect another "visitation", at the 9:41 mark.
If the drones are zipping around, and hoping from one place to another (as described by Ted), possibly they will come back to Earth to check in someday. It may be only 5 days for them since their last visit, but for us it would be 50 years because of time issues and traveling fast due to gravity distortion.
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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2010, 03:53:57 am »
I was wondering...and I haven't found it yet after looking around:

Did anyone email/write or call Bob Lazar directly and ask his opinion of the dragonfly drones and Isaac/CARET?

I have followed Lazar over the years and he has a familiar ring to his account as Isaac does...

Just an observation, nothing directly implied mind you.

Thanks,
and Happy Holidays to All by the way!

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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #7 on: December 24, 2010, 04:36:58 am »
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UFOs & Area 51: The Bob Lazar Video - Alien Technology


Also in this video, an interesting concept of when to expect another "visitation", at the 9:41 mark.
If the drones are zipping around, and hoping from one place to another (as described by Ted), possibly they will come back to Earth to check in someday. It may be only 5 days for them since their last visit, but for us it would be 50 years because of time issues and traveling fast due to gravity distortion.


It may be 50 years according to the traditional Einsteinian theories but  ET is able to travel in a hyper-dimension, therefore their return could be within much less time.

This is just my opinion.  I am not an expert on hyper-dimension travel at warp speed.
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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2010, 05:50:00 pm »
Prosopon, I emailed him twice and received no response. I had a couple of messages with Mr. Lear and he did not seem to believe in the drones. Which I was surprised at considering he believes in a soul catcher on the moon and other wacky stuff.

Bob Lazars website has been coming soon for two years now FWIW.

Interestingly they had a UFO marathon on the History Channel and the episode of UFO hunters and the Drones was on.
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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2010, 07:27:48 pm »
I emailed him twice and received no response.
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If you choose not to answer, you have still made an answer ;)
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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2010, 09:42:43 pm »
I emailed him twice and received no response.

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If you choose not to answer, you have still made an answer ;)


Bob Lazar states in one of the videos that he does not usually answer emails.  Same for LMH and many others.  The volume is just too large for these public figures.  Plus, Bob L. has really stuck his neck out on the UFO topic, so he is very careful as to what he will say.

We should note that Bob went public with his Area 51-S-4 revelations after the 'non' meeting with Dennis Mariani in the casino.  This event so frightened Bob that he felt he had to go public to protect his life.  Remember that Bob's security S-4 contact was Dennis M. and he has not been seen since. 

Ian Fleming or John Le Carre couldn't have written a better scenario than the events that night in the Las Vegas casino.

It reminded me of Lee Harvey Oswald trying to find his 'contact' in the Texas movie theater on the afternoon of Nov 22, 1963.  Recall that he sat next to five different people.  By then his handlers, the CIA, had cut him loose.  Typical,  when they want you eliminated.

Read this Ref. article if you desire these Lazar details I write about above:

Ref:
http://web.archive.org/web/20070102072750/www.serve.com/mahood/lazar/synopsis.htm
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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2010, 03:43:48 am »
[This is why Bob Lazar went public with his UFO information.]

Excerpt from Gene Huff report:

Summer 1989..

Finally, Dennis Mariani [of S-4 Security] contacted Bob and said he wanted to meet and speak with Bob on a "personal level". Bob set up the meeting at the Union Plaza casino in downtown Las Vegas. The meeting was set for 8 PM on Saturday night when there's be plenty of witnesses if anything bad happened. Joe Vaninetti happened to be in town from Los Alamos that weekend. We created a 'stealth plan' and Joe and I accompanied Bob down to the Union Plaza hotel.

http://gaming.unlv.edu/centennial/web/0263_0755_plaza.jpg


Bob entered first and, a short time later, Joe and I entered and sat down to play the slot machines as though we were tourists. Bob walked around and looked for Mariani, but at first he couldn't find him. Bob even paged him on the house phone. Finally, Bob saw Mariani approaching in a crowd of people and walked up to him. Mariani wouldn't make eye contact with Bob and walked on by as if Bob wasn't there. Bob also noticed another security man from S4 over by the wall on the other side of the crowd. Bob casually walked by Joe and I and told us what happened without looking at us or appearing to socialize with us. From a distance he then saw Mariani walk into another part of the casino.

Bob asked me to go into that other part of the casino with him, but to stay out of sight. He wanted someone else to be able to visually identify Dennis Mariani. We entered in a crowd and Bob pointed out Mariani, who was now sitting at a blackjack table. I went and hid behind a bank of slot machines behind Mariani. I was only about 20 feet from him and I had a clear view of him. He looked exactly as Bob had described him. Thirty five to forty years old, medium build, blonde hair and a tightly cropped blonde mustache.   This night he was also smoking a slender cigar.

Mariani's manner was quite curious. He was sitting between two very attractive,  buxom, women at the blackjack table, yet he would only look down at his cards and didn't seem to be enjoying himself. This is unusual behavior for someone in the festive casino atmosphere of a Saturday night in Las Vegas. Bob walked down the other side of the blackjack pit parallel to a long bar. Mariani looked up and his head followed Bob as Bob made that walk. Since this was the only time he looked up from his cards, especially considering the other available scenery, this indicated to me that he, indeed, knew who Bob was.

Bob walked around the blackjack pit and walked right up to Mariani and said, "Well, Dennis, you said you wanted to meet and here I am, now what's the deal?". Not only did Mariani not answer, he didn't even look at Bob or acknowledge his existence. Bob said, "Dennis, what the hell is going on, what is this shit?". Again, Mariani didn't acknowledge him.

Bob came over to me behind the slot machines and we quickly formulated a plan to follow him and try and get his license number or something along those lines. Mariani was only out of our sight for less than 15 seconds, but when we looked back, he was gone. We hurried through the casino in different directions looking for him. We even checked the restrooms, but he was nowhere to be found. We went back to the other part of the casino where Joe was sitting and asked him if anybody fitting Mariani's descripton had come that way. Joe said no one who looked like that had walked by his area.

 We could only surmise that maybe Mariani was there to speak on a personal level and that the other security guy that Bob had spotted was a surprise to everyone, including Dennis. No one has seen or heard anything from Dennis Mariani since that night.
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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2011, 01:47:56 pm »
I have previously noted the CARET LAP symbol similarity to the Roswell symbols described by Jesse Marcel Jr. I posted this on OMF:

Together with my comparison to the hydrogen wavefunctions and electron cloud patterns modelled in physics, there appears to be a very strong similarity between the CARET symbols and the Roswell I-beam symbols drawn and demonstrated by Jesse Marcel Jr.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/beams_symbols_compare.html

Now watch the video report on Discovery Science: The World's Strangest UFO Stories. Roswell

Take particular note of part 2 and part 3 of this video below. It gives the witness account of M.D. Jesse Marcel Junior and his statements on the Roswell debris and the I-beam symbols discovered by his father in 1947. Stanton Friedman interviewed Major Jesse Marcel Senior as part of his Roswell investigation.

PART II
[DSC] WSUS - Roswell The Truth-2.avi

PART III
[DSC] WSUS - Roswell The Truth-3.avi

In the same video, part 3, Dave Thomas reiterates USAF claims regarding Project Mogul that the funny symbols on the Roswell 'weather balloon' were actually scotch tape inlaid with symbols used for a certain type of toy. However Jesse Marcel Junior refutes the USAF claims and states that these symbols are NOT the same. Jesse shows his reproduction of the Roswell I-beam symbols. Beware the disinformation and fake symbols out there on the internet regarding these symbols. (See part 3 of the videos above, 6.10min onwards)

Jesse Marcel Jr's affadavit of the Roswell I-beam symbols is available online.
[Source: Karl Pflock, Roswell in Perspective, 1994.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/beams_symbols_compare.html
http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Marcel_Jr.html

More investigation brings up the claim that Jesse Marcel originally drew these symbols from memory on Sunday, July 6, 1947 after seeing the Roswell material presented by his father and he later made another rendition in 1989.

We'd have to ask Jesse Marcel Jr to verify the date that he first drew these symbols, but from the video above and the symbols shown in his affadavit, it's clear there is a strong match of the CARET symbols to his Roswell I-beam symbols.



2010 video from Jesse Marcel Jr here. See 22min:20 sec into the video:
ROSWELL LEGACY - Dr. Jesse Marcel, Jr. MD LIVE At the X-Conference
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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2011, 05:07:35 pm »
I can't seem to find an answer despite looking so I will ask a similar question as I had before and here's hoping someone here possibly knows:

Did anyone email or call or write to Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. directly and ask him if the drone symbols looked liked what he saw back in 1947?

I do recall  that the usually sober-in-his-reply Stanton Friedman (and one of the first Roswell researchers) said the drones looked fake and resembled a lawn sprinkler but it seems logical that someone would have asked Dr. Marcel his opine.

Thank you,

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Re: Bob Lazar - UFO - Propulsion - S-4, Area 51
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2011, 06:33:52 pm »
I can't seem to find an answer despite looking so I will ask a similar question as I had before and here's hoping someone here possibly knows:

Did anyone email or call or write to Dr. Jesse Marcel Jr. directly and ask him if the drone symbols looked liked what he saw back in 1947?

I do recall  that the usually sober-in-his-reply Stanton Friedman (and one of the first Roswell researchers) said the drones looked fake and resembled a lawn sprinkler but it seems logical that someone would have asked Dr. Marcel his opine.

Thank you,

~P

I didn't see anyone doing that before either, so I emailed Jesse about the CARET symbols. I will let you all know if I receive an answer.
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