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Offline Douglas

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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2009, 10:12:43 PM »
This is like advertising back in the 1950s when it was hip to use words and images of atoms and atomic structure in ads and products.  you could buy all sorts of 'atomic toys'.   

The LAP and its graphics are now the cool 'in' things.  Ho hum.

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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2010, 08:10:42 PM »
Here is a summary of links to other forum threads specifically discussing the Alienware connection to the drones:

http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=7640
http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=2131
http://lucianarchy.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cali1&action=display&thread=2136

Forum poster banzai received this response from Alienware:

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"Hi ___________,

Thank you for your email. Itâ??s great to hear that our promotion has reach out to you and your Forum group regarding the CARET document. Alienware did NOT create the information regarding this phenomena or the CARAT linguistics. This is NOT an intellectual property of Alienware. The information has anonymously spread throughout the web for some time. We have taken the CARAT linguistics and have applied this as a marketing tool to draw attention to our promotion.


Regards,


(name withheld)

Director of PR Communications

Alienware Corporation"

Considering that Alienware denies any involvement, and that both the character set font and circle drawings are not precise matches, it seem very likely that they have nothing to do with the original CARET case.

I suppose we could venture into the possibility that they are lying about their involvement, and that they re-created the font set and re-created the circle drawing from the LAP to fool people even more.

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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2010, 01:04:46 AM »
Here are some studies about the Alienware use of the LAP.   

Their use of the LAP comes under the definition of a "derivative work" under this copyright definition and presents a problem for Alienware:
 
To be copyrightable, a derivative work must be different enough from the original to be regarded as a "new work" or must contain a substantial amount of new material. Making minor changes or additions of little substance to a preexisting work will not qualify the work as a new version for copyright purposes. The new material must be original and copyrightable in itself. Titles, short phrases, and format, for example, are not copyrightable.

















« Last Edit: June 16, 2010, 01:08:48 AM by tomi »

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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2010, 11:46:31 PM »
Very good work, Tomi! (and how in the world you can get -25 in Karma here at the DRT is beyond my belief! Jezz!)

I think that Alienware Computers have a great problem, not only have they hesitated when asked of the origin of the
letters and symbols they're using (I can't remember the exact words) but they hesitated upon asked where they got
the information from. Now they registered as sole owners of the "Isaac" LAP and derived versions of the same.

Isn't it time to ask them if they take the full blame of this charade? If they "claim" to be the owner of the trademark, then
they also are responsible for the way it affected anyone along the way. And should admit that they were the ones behind
the "Isaac" testimony and the alleged witnesses...

Are they in a position to answer these questions?

I doubt that, but that's only my opinion,
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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2010, 12:08:54 AM »
I thought i would jump in and put my two cents worth in. Sorry Dudes, but mine wasn't a Dell!!! lol!! If this is a hoax and i am involved, i want my MONEY!!! I am sure someone in marketing spent a lot of time scouring the internet for some catchy logo and when they came across the CARET documents they said WOW, how cool would this look on our new line of Laptops. Bet it caused quite a stir in the marketing department!!!! Probably got this person a nice raise in pay also. Next year, they will do it all again and who knows what will adorn the new models. Just my opinion on this matter.

                                                     Thanks, Ted

                                                       

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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2010, 09:50:09 PM »
I imagine that someone in the design department at Alienware either shares our interest and discovered this story back in 2007 along with the rest of us, or working in the design department of a company that identifies itself with "Aliens", discovered it trolling the internet for alien related ideas. Either way, I think someone at AW was just as fascinated by it all as we are, and recognizing the impressive design of the LAP realized how well it suited their products. Therefore they simply decided to claim it, since no one else was claiming it. At least not anyone with a face, or a real identity.

Remaining anonymous, makes Isaac's demands empty.
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They are available as high resolution scans that I am giving away free, PROVIDED THEY ARE NOT MODIFIED IN ANY WAY AND ARE KEPT TOGETHER ALONG WITH THIS WRITTEN MATERIAL.
Without making his identity known, there's no way he can enforce such a statement.

If this is all a hoax, and Isaac is the graphic designer responsible for the LAP, he would have to expose himself to file a copyright suit against Alienware.

Of course Alienware realizes this. They are simply calling his bluff.

That leaves 2 possible outcomes.
1) Isaac remains anonymous and Alienware takes advantage of the opportunity to use someone else's designs for free.
2) Isaac comes out of the woodwork to prove he is the originator of the designs so he can sue Alienware and claim his stake in their profit's. What are the chances?

Isaac stated that he had no interest in making money from any of this, so if the story is true he'll never talk. There's no way for him to back up his demand that all materials remain with any distribution.

On the other hand, if you could prove that you were the designer responsible for the LAP, how valuable do you think a favorable judgment would be in a suit against Alienware? Probably not enough to justify the crucifixion you'd receive from the community. But who knows? Everyone has a price.

Perhaps in a small way Alienware is hoping someone will challenge them. It sure would be interesting.


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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2010, 08:14:02 PM »
I thought i would jump in and put my two cents worth in. Sorry Dudes, but mine wasn't a Dell!!! lol!! If this is a hoax and i am involved, i want my MONEY!!! I am sure someone in marketing spent a lot of time scouring the internet for some catchy logo and when they came across the CARET documents they said WOW, how cool would this look on our new line of Laptops. Bet it caused quite a stir in the marketing department!!!! Probably got this person a nice raise in pay also. Next year, they will do it all again and who knows what will adorn the new models. Just my opinion on this. Thanks, Ted                                                     

The LAP connection with Alienware is just a goofy coincidence. IMO.

As for the 'hoax' idea, I dismissed that when I did my research into historical sightings of these vehicles that go back hundreds of years.  These Drone machines have been seen all over the planet long before the 2007 flap.  My reports on Historical Sightings are on this site.  Check:

http://droneteam.com/drt/index.php?topic=123.0

There are reports that they go back over two thousand years.

Everyone have a great weekend!

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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2010, 08:41:50 PM »
"2010-05-24 - Abandonment Notice Mailed - No Use Statement Filed

2010-05-24 - Abandonment - No use statement filed

2009-10-14 - Extension 1 granted

2009-10-14 - Extension 1 filed

2009-10-14 - TEAS Extension Received

2009-04-21 - NOA Mailed - SOU Required From Applicant

2009-01-27 - Published for opposition

2009-01-07 - Notice of publication

2008-12-22 - Law Office Publication Review Completed

2008-12-19 - Approved For Pub - Principal Register

2008-12-12 - Teas/Email Correspondence Entered

2008-12-12 - Communication received from applicant

2008-12-10 - TEAS Response to Office Action Received

2008-12-05 - Combined Examiner's Amendment/Priority Action Entered

2008-12-04 - Assigned To LIE

2008-12-04 - Notification Of Examiner's Amendment/Priority Action E-Mailed

2008-12-04 - Examiner's Amendment/Priority Action E-Mailed

2008-12-04 - Examiners Amendment And/Or Priority Action - Completed

2008-12-04 - Assigned To Examiner

2008-10-24 - TEAS Amendment Entered Before Attorney Assigned

2008-10-24 - TEAS Voluntary Amendment Received

2008-09-03 - Notice Of Design Search Code Mailed

2008-09-02 - New Application Entered In Tram"

Taken from here: http://tarr.uspto.gov/tarr?regser=serial&entry=77%2F557%2C502

It appears they've abandoned the copyright anyway.

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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2010, 02:05:26 AM »
Thanks for the follow up informtion on this.  It is their Trademark application however.  I'm not sure if they have tried to continue to obtain it, but as I indiciated earlier, they still hadn't obtained even a Trademark for their use of the symbols.   That leaves Alienware's use of the LAP wide open for speculation and how it matters with the Trademark aspect.

1.  Does Alienware know something we don't know about the LAP material?  If so, have they decided not to disclose what they know about its origins in order to get a Trademark for the symbols.  This means they are using the LAP symbols in confidence against copyright infrigment for commercial use and sacraficed having the symbols Trademarked to keep the mystery intact per some agreement or something..

2. Or else.. Alienware is using the LAP and the symbols for commercial purposes and is running the risk of a severe legal and distribution problem should they be hit with an infrigement claim from the creator or creators.  It is hard to imagine that a company with Loeb & Loeb as its legal advisor would incur such a potential problem.. 



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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #24 on: August 14, 2010, 02:58:17 AM »
They will never be hit with a legitimate claim.

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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2010, 03:49:33 AM »
And how can you be so sure   ???
How can they be sure either ...
« Last Edit: August 14, 2010, 03:51:42 AM by tomi »

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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2010, 06:56:17 AM »
They will never be hit with a legitimate claim.


I have to agree with you lev.  Can you imagine the US gubment coming into court and claiming,... hey, that LAP alphabet is ours, we got it from space aliens.  Yeah, prove it!
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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2010, 10:39:12 PM »
 "It is their Trademark application however."

Trademark is a lot easier to establish and record. I wonder how much the wasted on lawyers during this little escapade?

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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #28 on: August 16, 2010, 12:01:32 AM »
"It is their Trademark application however."

Trademark is a lot easier to establish and record. I wonder how much the wasted on lawyers during this little escapade?

That's what makes this so bewildering to me.  You don't mess around with Loeb & Loeb, they are one of the top king maker firms in the world specialising in copyright.  They are not going to go with the alien explaination without some kind of proof  :o ;)   But the statue of limitations is running out.. and the neglect to defend copyright is on their side unless someone makes a claim soon..

But I still can't see Loeb & Loeb letting their client just expose themselves, what kind of due diligence has been done by Alienware?

« Last Edit: August 16, 2010, 12:10:20 AM by tomi »

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Re: Alienware copyrighted "their" version of the "alien language"
« Reply #29 on: August 16, 2010, 01:01:11 AM »
No one will claim any legal rights to the drone saga.
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